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Now here’s an antlerless gun hunt

Fri, January 27, 2012

doe shoot

OK, for years I’ve been at odds with our IDNR Wildlife Division over its Illinois deer management. Now that I’ve got older, I’ve come to realize maybe Paul Shelton knows what he’s talking about. So, I invited some good ole boys over during the last “antlerless” gun season. We no longer count our harvest by numbers taken, rather by weight.

We wiped out 3 TONS of those over-populated nuisances, thereby lowering Paul and John’s dreaded DVA’s in Adams County and making them happy, I’m sure.

Next year, we’re shooting for 12 tons.

Comments

Probably all will be donated to sportsman against hunger. So they can pump up their chests and feel like heros.  Program should be called “Slaughter Against Hunger”

Posted by Chupacabra Crappie on January 27

Tim we have ACOUPLE problems here..1..I said too shoot 3, Not 3 tons..2 You only tagged half the deer.3..When i ask you if you killed any, you said acouple…..PLEASE RETURN GATE KEYS ASAP:)

Posted by WhitetailFreak on January 27

I assume all the mistakenly shot bucks are in the white trailer.

Posted by BIGPOND on January 27

That guy will go broke paying processing fees!  I can hardly afford the cost taking in de-boned meat.  Even if he “donates” the meat; the places around here require a $25 per deer charge to cover their costs.

Posted by buckbull on January 27

On top of the disturbing amount of dead deer, they were probably all shot behind a high fence.

Posted by mossyoak on January 27

Let’s face it, some of us who call ourselves hunters really don’t understand or have the core values the majority of hunters possess. As a result, they create situations, whether it is poaching or just a flagrant disregard for the sport and the animals they pursue…. situations that make it easier for the no-hunting population to push their agenda. The above image/post is neither funny and or humorous and shows clear disregard in taking these beautiful animals. It is also is disrespectful to the sport itself. If it is a joke…shame on you….if it is real….I hope you have tags and if not…prosecuted to the full extent of the law. No more crying about the IDNR and shrinking deer herd please!!!!!!!!

Posted by Matt1961 on January 27

Very respectful picture.

Posted by Treehugger on January 27

You can bet your butt this hunt is from a MAJOR Outfitter!!!!!Looks like a pic from H*D*EY Creek:)

Posted by WhitetailFreak on January 27

What possible positive could come from posting a picture like this?  Let the non-hunters have a field day sending this around.  Shame on all involved.

Posted by moneycreekstoney on January 27

Interesting reactions to a tongue and cheek post I must say-
First- Why it’s not from my farm, I do know where it’s from- 2nd- they are all legal-3rd-they were donated-4th-It’s what the DNR’s are pushing for by making it legal-5th-as far as upsetting Anti hunters-what is the difference between this photo and the every day photo’s we see of 4 dead deer on top each other in the back of a truck? a number???? To HIDE from the so called Anti Hunters, is to loose to them-WF:You’re 1/2 right buddy!! Is this worse than the depradation tags the IDNR gives out where most of the deer killed are left wrot? I don’t thunk so- sorry boys- but if any anti hunters want to find me-so be it-bring it on.This IS real life in the Current management of whitetail deer.

Posted by walmsley on January 27

I hesitate to make a negative comment on this picture because i dont know the circumstances of the farm/farms these deer were taken from.  Wait a second, no i wont hesitate, this is an absolute joke and disgrace to hunters.  I see no circumstance where taking this many does out of the population in one area is a good idea.  I agree with Matt1961, we need to stop blaming the DNR for the shrinking of our herd.  If our deer herd is ever in trouble the only blame should go to idiots like the guy in the picture, purely stupid!

Posted by carrollcountyhunter2024600 on January 27

While I will agree the photo is very degrading, it is however, legal.

Posted by mountain man on January 27

Tim - I know you said you did not know where this photo was taken but does that mean “no idea” or do you know that it was Illinois, just not the county?

Posted by buckbull on January 27

I’m sure this trailer actually belongs to a processing plant. And I guess the guy in the photo smiling is the only one amused at this pic. I am sure we all will get this photo via e-mail soon saying it was from Adams,Pike,DeWitt,Mclean,Woodford and every other county in Illinois.

Posted by PDOG on January 27

Who is to say that this isn’t a picture of legal deer that 20 or 30 guys shot and all butcher together? Maybe its outside of a butcher’s place of business? Maybe its just a bunch of yayhoos filling tags because they had nothing else to do and the DNR gave them the green light. Don’t know, but probably not the most tasteful pic.

Posted by aerosmith16 on January 27

The gun in the photo didn’t look like a shotgun so I blew it up.  The gold trigger and muzzlebrake seem to point to a Browning BAR rifle with BOSS.  Probably not even a photo from Illinois.

Posted by buckbull on January 27

Not the most thought out picture, whatever it may be from, hunting party, deer processors, one man doe managment. I don’t know what to think here.

Posted by bowfisher1 on January 27

That guy likely has an IQ real close to 60.

Posted by clintharvey on January 27

Probably sharp shooters hired by the state on some public ground my guess.

Posted by doubleshock on January 27

See very few leg tags, the ones I do see look like IL. tags but I imagine most states around here use the same vendor to make them. Another thing, see no plates on the trailers either, no way to tell. I think 50/50 it is in IL. I do think that the picture was done in poor taste though.

Posted by berlin on January 27

That looks like the same white trailer that use to get pulled around the country side during shotgun season when I was kid. All the locals in my small town would fear them ruining their hunting spots. They would drive along side the road, and when they seen no car/truck parked, the whole family would get out and hurry and walk through anyones ground. Then, as quick as they could, carry their kills back to the trailer and take off. The only reason I found out about them when I was younger was because I about got nailed by flying bullets more than once. Each time, I would see more than a half dozen orange bodies moving quickly, blasting away at anything running. Scarry!!!!!

Posted by Dr Chollokee on January 27

Whatever the legality and whatever the deer management implications…it is a distasteful photo.  Of course deer overpopulate in the absence of predators, and yes culling can be necessary.  And culling is better than, say, an outbreak of EHD or TB or CWD to thin the herd.  Whatever his true mindset the face of the man in the photo portrays someone who took joy in killing a bunch of relatively helpless and peaceful creatures.  It just looks bad.  Best not to post such an image in my view

Posted by SouthsideRiverRat on January 27

Just ask yourself:  What does this photo represent?  Is it good or bad for the hunting community?  Does it respect the sport we love or somehow degrade it?  Don’t really care if it’s legal or not.  You could remove the hunter and I think it would still cause problems.

Posted by bowhunterdave on January 27

Does it really matter!!  As long as the DNR keeps handing out tags by the millions this will keep taking place.  Until the resource runs out people will keep throwing lead.  This picture better reflects the management plan that has been adopted by the goons over in Springfield(none).  I’m shocked more of these pics haven’t been floating around.  I think this pic needs to be put on the cover of the DNR handbook for all sections that deal with deer hunting in this state.  Title it “Illinois the state with no magagement plan with unlimited tags for all hunters who can’t draw a tag in any other state”.  Sounds about right!

Posted by RAGEINTHECAGE on January 27

This seems like a serious game of 20 questions.  Without any questions. 
Just a whole lot of guesses.

Without proper context, the post seems more like ‘troll baiting’. 
Some bite hard. 

Posted by virtualSniper on January 27

Definitely looks like a rifle he is holding. No endcap for the magazine like you see with auto loaders or pump actions. It could be some off brand of shotgun but it is hard to think anything but a rifle with that profile.

Also, did anyone notice the wierd looking doe in the front of the pile in the middle? It looks like the head of a small cow elk, notice the lack of white near the eyes and ears along with the high forehead.

I also see very few leg tags in picture.

Posted by joe4683 on January 27

Definitely looks like a rifle he is holding. No endcap for the magazine like you see with auto loaders or pump actions. It could be some off brand of shotgun but it is hard to think anything but a semi auto rifle with that profile.

Also, did anyone notice the wierd looking doe in the front of the pile in the middle? It looks like the head of a small cow elk, notice the lack of white near the eyes and ears along with the high forehead. If it is an elk then that is a definite no-no in Illinois (except maybe high fence).

I also see very few leg tags in picture.

Posted by joe4683 on January 27

hypothetically…

this is the reason why most people arent seeing deer!!! these guys plant a lot of foodplots so deer from all over come to eat late season, and these killers think hey were helping out by shooting does…

yeah but 90% of those does dont call that area home…aka its not thier core area during fawning and most of the year

he wants a “cool pic”..and now the neighbors dont see deer for 3 years!

Posted by foodplotPhil on January 27

It’s rumored that the DNR is coming out with a new Button you can buy: “I took the herd so the herd can’t grow”

Posted by walmsley on January 27

I have Every pin but that one:)

Posted by WhitetailFreak on January 27

I believe it was Grant Woods who said, for every doe you shoot, you remove an average of 2-1/2 deer from the heard for the next hunting season. 
This is something I consider every time I harvest a doe. I wish more would.

Posted by Cooper on January 27

Virtual, “some bite hard” because we HUNTERS have strong feelings about the whitetail herd in our state.

Posted by carrollcountyhunter2024600 on January 27

I find it absolutely disgusting.  But I’ve never seen anything remotely like this where I hunt.  Maybe that’s because I hunt public land and tags are more limited.  It that’s the norm, then all you fretting about the state of the herd are absolutely correct.
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And Tim since:
“Why it’s not from my farm, I do know where it’s from.”
Why not say where?  They are obviously proud of what they did, given the picture and the smile on the guys face, so why the secrecy?  Who did this?

Posted by Murdy on January 27

Legal or not, I don’t see any good in this photo.

Posted by Walston on January 28

This photo is absurd there is no ethical reason for ever harnesting that many deer from anywhere in one season let alone one weekend. Hopefully this is some lockers sick attempt at joke and not really from a “hunting” trip. If it is real the legality is not an issue I just don’t see how anyone who calls themself a ethical sporstman could justify taking that many animals. Hunters like the one in the picture are as much the problem in the state deer herd as are the ones controlling it from Springfield. I also again hope this isn’t real but if it is this guy has succeeded in doing nothing but affect the hunting in his area for himself and more importantly his neighbors for years to come. Think about it for every mature doe killed you have removed three deer from the herd, yes that is how population is controlled but not like in the above photo. There can’t be enough of a herd left to sustain a healthy population for all to continue to enjoy the hunt. If it is a true photo I do hope the proper authorities get a hold of this “hunter” and find enough violations to nail his butt to the wall, I guess it would be poetic justice for tying to be a such a “master hunter”.

Posted by Agger808 on January 28

I know multiple idiots who harvest ten plus deer a year….

Posted by clintharvey on January 28

The ‘real’ problem is who gets to decide the deer population number.  The picture cannot speak for itself.  It probably is legal, as it wouldn’t be posted and annotated and risk the investigation. 

I’ll take my bite now…

If the total take here is for one location and a short duration, that area had a over abundance of deer in my opinion.  The ground is not snow covered and seemingly wooded, so I doubt its a ‘yarded’ herd.  Perhaps it is a park district / urban border. 

If its a sharp shooter operation(which is my first guess), the poser would seem to be ‘celebrating’.  This does seem off putting.  Culling deer to this degree is a job.  Perhaps its his first operation.  Not necessarily one to pose with your tool.  But the purpose of hunting is to reduce the population while maintaining it being thought of a fine and worthy tradition.  When hunting fails to manage an area, perhaps a few snipers were needed for the job.

When is the curtain going to be lifted???

Posted by virtualSniper on January 28

My information on the pic I posted above is, it is from southern Iowa. It is an outfitter thinning out the deer herd on the leases in the late antlerless seasons. Perfectly legal and Exactly what modern deer management says should be done since their paying clients don’t come to shoot Does. Something that outfitters are constantly acused of not doing.

It’s no different than Will County above- God forbid they don’t let photo’s get out of 300 dead deer. Out of sight, out of mind.

Posted by walmsley on January 29

Yep that is a picture from a small 30 acre lease in Monona County, IA.  remember that is the state according to Tim that has it ALL FIGURED OUT!!!  I love it Tim!

You could put a picture up on your blog of anything and write 20 lines of BS and half the people in this state take it as gospel.  C’Mon people no one in IL could have a trailor like this if you read Tim’s blogs all the experts that respond already told you there are no does in IL.  hard to kill a trailer of 50 when no county in IL has 50living doe in it smile

Posted by PIMPSTAFFER HATER on January 30

Yep that is a picture from a small 30 acre lease in Monona County, IA.  remember that is the state according to Tim that has it ALL FIGURED OUT!!!  I love it Tim!

You could put a picture up on your blog of anything and write 20 lines of BS and half the people in this state take it as gospel.  C’Mon people no one in IL could have a trailor like this if you read Tim’s blogs all the experts that respond already told you there are no does in IL.  hard to kill a trailer of 50 when no county in IL has 50 living doe in it.

Posted by PIMPSTAFFER HATER on January 30

“It is an outfitter thinning out the deer herd on the leases in the late antlerless seasons. Perfectly legal and Exactly what modern deer management says should be done since their paying clients don’t come to shoot Does.”
Kind of ironic.  Outfitters are private businesses, and have an economic interest in the deer on the properties they control.  Those of us that believe in capitalism would usually say that a private business is more efficient in acting in its best interest than the government.  The outfitter wants big bucks, because that’s what its clients pay for.  Usually, on these sites, you hear keep does around and bucks will follow.  But here, the outfitter is going out of the way to shoot large numbers of does.  The outfitter must not think that doing so will diminish the number of bucks available for its clients.  Those that want less tags , in essence, are wishing that the government would intervene and reduce the ability of a private business to do what it thinks is in its best interests.  Interesting.  (Personally, I don’t have a strong opinion on reducing the number of tags, because I really don’t beleive that I have a good read on whether the herd is down in areas I hunt.)

Posted by Murdy on January 31

Take a good look at that gun to. It looks like a rifle to me not a shotgun.

Posted by erjbowhunter on January 31

Just like IL, screw the biologists,down at the tavern we know all about how to manage the deer herd.

Posted by joecarver on January 31

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