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MATT
CHEEVER
Flatlander
Tag soup
Tue, January 17, 2012
I have to admit there was a time a decade or more ago when unfilled deer tags weighed on my mind and I desperately wanted to fill each and every one. There is nothing wrong with filling your tags legally and ethically, after all the state issued them and you paid for them. The big questions is why do you fill them or why do you not fill them. I’m not talking about having the opportunity for a shot or not, but the decision to fill a tag and how you mentally process that endeavor?
We eat a lot of deer in our house, other than some locker bought pork and the occasional chicken and turkey, all we eat is venison for red meat and a few fish fillets a year. When feeding your family is a priority and let’s face it there are still a few of us old school thinkers that hunt for food not just sport, filling a tag is important. Let’s presume we all hunt for the same reason that is narrowed down to food, sport, recreation, relaxation and trophy hunting. What then does an unfilled or valid tag at the end of season mean to you?
I know as a young man, immature in the hunting and gathering process and unfilled tag represents defeat or a lack of success. As maturity and experience comes an unfilled tag represents many more things like common sense, a spirit of game management and doing what is best for the herd, and maybe just being a little more selective in what our goals are. My thoughts really changed when a true trophy hunter once told me his perspective on tags. He said he covets that tag as it represents the chance at a buck of a lifetime. I don’t necessarily covet my tags or for that trophy of a lifetime, but it does represent the chance to be out there, to hunt until the end.
Some years an unfilled tag is pursued harder than others, some years like this one it simply allows me to be around God’s creation; sure I wouldn’t hesitate if a big old buck with impressive rack came strolling to bow range and while I did pass several does early in December I was looking for one more as the season came to a close.
I wasn’t hungry enough to put a tag on a fawn or a young buck, not that there is anything wrong with either of those things, in fact both are spectacular eating. In my mind I was waiting for a big buck or the last day of season to possibly take a doe if I saw a large herd and numbers appeared to be good in that area.
The beauty of freedom in this country is my plan for my tags may be vastly different from your plans, and rightfully so. I have on my garage wall dozens of unfilled tags from years gone by, and recently a gentlemen saw them and commented saying “aren’t you ashamed to show all those unfilled tags”, I laughed and said, no, those represent all the chances in life I have had to hunt. Believe me I have shot my share of deer and I am long past the need to make sure I shoot more than anyone else, not that I didn’t go through that phase in my twenties. Does it really matter if you shoot one a year, or five, or zero?
One of the most successful hunters I know didn’t even get his tag out of his pack and consider using it this fall, he was hunting for a true giant buck and then in the last days wanted a doe, but couldn’t get one. Was this fellow’s season unsuccessful? I don’t think so! He set a goal at the beginning of the year and stuck to it not wavering to peer pressure or the need to just kill.
When I returned home from hunting Sunday night I was in a good mood and chipper, my wife said “well season’s over, how you doing?” I smiled and said “great!” she asked “did you get one?” I said “no I didn’t”, but I set out a goal to put enough meat in the freezer to get us through the end of summer and take a nice trophy deer (for me that is 3.5 years or older and over 125”) and then hold out for a true giant something that would be spectacular in my eyes not just a good one. I put my does in the freezer in October and then shot my buck later with my muzzleloader, after that I hunted hard but not putting it before family. I hunted smart for one of those phantom ghosts that Illinois is known to have. I didn’t get that second buck tag filled and had a pile of doe tags left for gun and bow.
Was this season a success? Indeed, I didn’t shoot anything I hadn’t intended, I didn’t wound or hurt an animal, and they were all clean bow kills from 3 yards to 47. I shot a good buck on film and recovered it with a friend that is no longer around to celebrate with (he moved to Oregon, still living though). I shot a doe in front of my 5 year old daughter who was in the blind with me, something neither of us will ever forget. My temper and character were tested a few times this season but I handled it better and in a more mature way than years past. I have met new friends and spent more time with old ones.
Would I change anything or fill one more tag if I could?……………..no, this season was perfect just the way it was. Those unfilled tags on my garage wall represent all of this and those bucks that got to walk get to build excitement for next season and what it might bring. To me my tags represent the freedom to be out there and the ability to hunt and the time spent with God in his creation. I don’t believe I’ll ever look down on an unfilled tag again.
When it comes right down to it there is nothing better than the hunt itself!
I hope you all enjoyed your deer season, God bless,
Matt Cheever ~ Flatlander
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Awesome read matt!!!
Posted by WhitetailFreak on January 17
We are of like mind Matt. I too cherish those unfilled tags. They gave me the opportunity to be out there enjoying the hunt. One of my hunting brothers often quotes another friend saying, “The best way to mess up a good deer hunt is to shoot one!” While that takes it to the other extreme, he’s kind of right…at least in my mind. I too set a goal every year. My goals are simple, hunt to take a buck bigger than my biggest until after the first gun season. After that, the gloves are off and I want one for the freezer. Between my boy and I, I only wish to take two deer. That is all my family will consume so that is the end goal. This year I was fortunate enough to take a nice buck with my bow. My first buck with a bow and my biggest to date. This was before gun season. During gun season it was my boy’s show and I was just there to enjoy the hunt and help him reach his goal of harvesting a buck after taking his first deer (a doe) last year. He did it, and I was there to enjoy it! I have not sat in a stand since that first gun season. Still in my truck are two bow tags and a gun tag. They will now join the stack of unfilled deer and turkey tags in my collection.
I absolutely love being out there. I had many opportunities in October to take does and smaller bucks. But on my phone I have saved a text from one my hunting buddies. After a brief back and forth on my season to that date, where I had passed on so many, Rat states, “you will be rewarded for you patience.” And I was.
Posted by OZ on January 17
We have a scrapbook where we keep all of our hunting and fishing licenses as well as unfilled tags. We have been keeping it since the early 80’s and call it the “soup book”.
Posted by jcurri on January 17
Great Read. I shot my share of does but I too fill the freezer in order to have enough meat for the year. I ended up with 4 unfilled tags and I have a great fried mushrooms with tags recipe I would love to share with you.
I always end up with unfilled tags but I too pass on a lot of small does/bucks in hopes that a nice one is just around the corner.
Posted by illinibowhunter on January 17
Great read, Matt. Along the same lines of this story, does anyone else miss those metal (then orange plastic later) leg tags they’d put on your deer after having it registered? I have a big hook on my wall above my butcher table in my garage loaded with those things and I really miss getting them. For some reason I’d rather get one of those leg tags than a deer pin. Seems more traditional to me.
Posted by Treehugger on January 17
Personally, I am wallpapering my den in unused tags.
Posted by riverrat47 on January 17
with my current mindset, i may go the next 5 years without filling a tag. I didnt see a giant this year and have never really understood the shooting deer to “fill the freezer”. Its not economical by any means. If you need food that bad buy a side of beef. Its much cheaper.
Posted by clintharvey on January 17
Nice read, Matt. Your last quote reminded me of a few of my favorite hunting quotes:
“There is a passion for hunting something deeply implanted in the human breast.”—Charles Dickens
“We cannot but pity the boy who has never fired a gun; he is no more humane, while his education has been sadly neglected.”—Henry David Thoreau
and finally “It’s time to play a little string music”—Ted Nugent
Posted by Mallardmike on January 17
Clint I can see where you are coming from but on that same note there is no sport in going to the butcher and buying a side of beef whereas deer sure tastes good knowing how much time and effort went into the hunt and the kill.
I have always taken a lot of pride in knowing that all that time I put into putting up trail cams, scouting, putting up stands, spending days worth of time in a tree are all for that one moment when I let an arrow fly and get rewarded with an animal. That’s how I have always looked at it
Posted by illinibowhunter on January 17
JCURRI-I do the same with all my old tags and license and then I also do what TREEHUGGER does or did, All my and my huntin buddy’s metal and plastic tags are in my shop also, have between 90-100 of them. I keep all the new ones on a nail beside my frig, plus easy to find if a CPO does come knockin. Does anybody have a good broth for tag soup?
Posted by berlin on January 17
B, I like to marinate the meat of my tag soup with a batch of turkey applications that I forget to send off in November…...and then have enough for left overs…......ha
Posted by Flatlander on January 17
i remember my worst season ever, days of one tag per season. I filled my tag 2nd day, even though it was a nice buck for those time,arent you glad you dont have to go out and sit in a tree in this weather. I would almost choke my wife everytime she said arent you dont have to go out in this weather and sit in a tree. never made that mistake again.
Posted by joecarver on January 17
I ate a bow turkey tag also, 1 gun and 3 archery, my friend ate 1 turkey three archery and 2 other gun tags 1 each for both boys, we will have leftovers!
Posted by berlin on January 17
I had a conversation similar to this about 6 months ago with a friend who can’t stand to leave a tag unfilled. I have to admit my primary goal of each season is to shoot a buck I consider a mature trophy, a special animal in my eyes. However, two years ago, I didn’t shoot a buck. I probably let more really good bucks walk than I ever had, yet told that friend I had a great season. Most of those bucks I let walk made it, giving me something to look forward the next year.
Posted by full draw on January 17
Seems the permit freedom the state(DNR) gives us is appreciated by lots of us buying more tags than we expect to fill. Tag soup, some just have bigger bowls.
Seems we have found another reason to bring back check stations. Some of us like the pins. Some of us like the metal bands. Who knew.
Seems anyone shooting a deer(preferably a doe) to fill the freezer is just a money fool. Like its economical to plant a food plot;buy a lease;latest gear;gas and time - just to put some big horn on the wall.
Posted by virtualSniper on January 17
that was a very good article matt! i have 2 unused tags for your soup! my stepson shot 2 deer the 1st season! his mother and me inherited the meat! that will be enough to last us to next fall! even tho i did not not get to shoot my gun this year, this will be a deer season i will never forget! thanks again for your good article!
Posted by pbpete on January 17
Tag soup is the BEST!!!!... I have some of the best times of my life standing over a pot of tag soup just telling the story of what was supposed to be attached to one of those tags… Like the time I packed enough food and gear into the Rocky Mountains for 10 days… Had an elk tag that gave me a chance to experience things most REAL hunters can only read about in magazines… That tag alone taught me that bringing an empty tag home was way easier than packing an 800lb animal out 7 miles on foot…. Oh to be young and broke again… Wouldn’t trade those unfilled tags for anything…
Posted by outdoorlivin247 on January 17
Ok I decided to crank out some really rough numbers on the estimated cost to shoot a deer. I shot six this year so I have divided all this information by six to get my cost per deer
Time spent in tree…............96 hours (yes I keep track)
Average cost per hour of my time.$20.00/hr
Time driving to hunting locations.24 hours
Gallons of gas consumed…........100 gallons @ $3.50/gallon
2 hours per deer to butcher…....12 hours @ 20.00/hr
Archery Supplies (arrows, broadheads, etc)..$300.00
Tags (3 sets of archery combo)....$78.00
License…........................$30.00
Total cost….....................$3,398.00
Divided by 6…...................$566.33/deer
That excludes purchasing/check trail camera. scouting time, purchasing/putting up tree stands, etc.
So it is really expensive but I wouldn’t have it any other way! Any other expenses I’ve missed?
Posted by illinibowhunter on January 18
So I guess I am in the wrong for keeping old tags in memory of the hunts I have had. And because I buy tags and don’t fill them they need to bring back check stations? But wait, I wouldn’t have the tags if I didn’t check them in. And yes, I had shots and seen enough deer to have filled every tag I had, but didn’t. I plant no food plots, and I hunt private property, enough people like and trust me that I don’t have to lease ground. Bought my 1st new bow ever 3 years ago. Maybe I should start praying to the hunting god VIRTUALSNIPER that I do the right things and how I should spend the money I make. Again, been deer hunting 30 years and hunting anything else 40 years and never have got a ticket or have been run off of any property and now I find out I have been doing it all wrong. How will I sleep at night now knowing I have been doing it all wrong?
Posted by berlin on January 18
It costs the same to golf but I hate the taste of golf balls…..
Mallard, I love outdoor qoutes….......I like to tell folks when they ask, “why do you hunt?” I then ask “Why do you breathe?” they say “If I don’t I will die” I say “Me too”.........maybe not physically but INSIDE, it’s who God made me…......I wish I could hit a golf ball 400 yards or play guitar like Nugent or sing like Aaron Lewis but I can’t .......didn’t get those skills….... I can sit in a tree real well and quietly observe creation and the utilize some of it for dinner…... and I have no regrets
lots of good comments, we don’t all have to agree but I like that we all have our reasons…....when I ask Anti Hunters their reason for their cause I never seem to get an answer
Posted by Flatlander on January 18
Never saw the value in unused tags. They quickly found the bottom of the garbage can. Some may have been misplaced in the far corner of the junk drawer, only to be found and discarded during one of my wife’s spring cleaning forays. I only buy 2 tags per year (1 archery, 1 gun). I have no need for any more. Been doing that for 15 years and will continue to do so for many more. There are many years that I throw away 2 tags at the end of the season. No worries, each season is fun and exciting regardless of the kill. This year, I tossed one.
Posted by Walston on January 18
Flatlander good comments!
Posted by illinibowhunter on January 18
illinibowhunter, Now take into account that most of the deer that are does have only 50 pounds of meat on them. The term providing for your family seems pretty silly then if you say that providing for your family meat cost over 10 dollars a pound!
Posted by clintharvey on January 18
a mere mortals cost schedule..using same price per gas/hourly rate.
Time spent in woods…............60 hours
Average cost per hour of my time.$20.00/hr
Time driving to hunting locations.30 hours
Gallons of gas consumed…........100 gallons @ $3.50/gallon
4 hours per deer to butcher…....8 hours @ 20.00/hr
1 deer to processor(sausage,etc)...$150 estimated
Archery Supplies (arrows, broadheads, etc)..$0.00
Ammo/gun costs…...........................$0.00
Tags (bow,gun)..................$85.00 est
License…........................$30.00
Total cost….....................$2,575.00
Divided by 3…...................$858.33/deer
If two were large bucks say 180 inches thats $2575/360 inches = $7.15 per inch of antler. But they weren’t 180 inches. Heck, guessing 100 inches each is more likely. $2575/200 = $12.87 per inch. So my economics are $858 per deer. $12.87 per inch of antler. Or $17.16 per pound.
Guess I need to shoot more deer and larger racks to bring the average down.
Imagine those only hunting for family food have a lot lower investment.
Posted by virtualSniper on January 18
Removing the hourly rate…
$615 in hard costs for three deer.
$205 per deer
$1.05 per inch
$4 per pound
Posted by virtualSniper on January 18
I bought one archery ES tag and one bow turkey this year, I still have them all in my pocket. I think this season was the best I have ever had, going by encounters with deer. 3 unfilled tags, many gallons of gas and vehicle wear and tear, but sitting in that tree stand watching the sun come up and go down, seeing things that these animals do that most people don’t even know about,is worth more to me than filling any tag.
Posted by bowfisher1 on January 18
I also don’t buy the “feed the family” argument. It’s much cheaper and easier get 50 lbs of beef at Kroger than it is to get the same amount of deer. The single deer I shot this year probably cost me over $1,000 in time, gas, and other equipment. And only 10 lbs of it is in my freezer, the rest donated.
Posted by Walston on January 18
Sniper, what are you talking about? NO one ever said trophy hunting is cheap.
Posted by clintharvey on January 18
If you figure your time in the stand then to pay for the extra beef it would take at our house I would have to figure the hours worked at a second job to afford that beef, I’d rather sit in the stand than take the second job stocking shelves on third shift to pay the beef prices and at $6-7 dollars a pound for steak the deer really is pretty cheap if you dont’ figure in food plotting, equipment etc…...... this has been a long friendly debate over the years at my house so I turned the hobby in to some money, now getting paid a little for some food plotting, tree cutting and what not, So there is a little extra revenue to help when I need new arrows, broadheads etc.
we’ll always be able to justify our passions in our mind, but I can personally say my family is happier with the money I spend in the woods that what I spent in the bars in my twenties…..... and it’s hard to replace that feeling of beeing an active participant in the food chain….. If folks just can’t get in to that, i would hope they would hang up the hunting coat and make more places for others who enjoy it…....I hope everyone on here enjoys their time afield
Posted by Flatlander on January 18
“we’ll always be able to justify our passions in our mind”
-Yup!
Posted by Walston on January 18
Well you did forget a few items that are required to hunt deer:
Carbon Synergy….....................................................8.00
Full Carbon/Silver Nitrate/Pixy Dust rubbed w/ moon rocks suit….1,000.00
Bone Assassins Buck snarl/sneezy/doc/dopey call…...................30.00
Cambells Outdoor Pimp kit(if it ain’t on video it doesn’t count)..3,500.00
100 24/7/365 Satellite/GPS/Night Vision 300tB trail cameras…....3,000.00
Ozone eliminator to hang above each of your 10 stands…..........5,000.00
Magic bean stalk, Raptor-T Brassica, and Monster stacker chickory.5,000.00
Rut and Strut Energy drink…........................................10.00
Totally ticked off Buggie tank track floating UTV….............15,000.00
I could go on, but I think you get the point.
Posted by PIMPSTAFFER HATER on January 18
After reading what you guys pay to hunt, do I feel lucky. Never drive more than 5 minutes to get to a stand. Most of our stands hardly have to be moved and luckily never hardly get stolen. Process the deer myself so there was one time equipment cost. Never kept track of time hunting though because it has all been priceless with all the things that I have seen. And I will admit I hunt for meat, and there is not a hunter alive that don’t want that monster on the wall. But do I feel sorry for the money you guys pay just to hunt. I understand that you think it is well worth or you wouldn’t do it and it is.
Posted by berlin on January 18
Process your own eh, I have a list for you….
Butcher paper and cutter…..............................50.00
Ziploc baggies qt…..................................... 2.50
Ziploc baggies gal….................................... 5.00
2 1/2-3 lb Mahogany casing 10 ct…......................15.00
Natural Hog casing x 2…................................30.00
Pork butt at 1.49/lb 9lb average x 10…................140.00
Seasoning for breakfast sausage….......................10.00
Seasoning for Summer sausage…..........................30.00
Cheese…................................................10.00
Gas to go to Big R or BP or SSWR to pick up or delivery..20.00
Wood chips for smoker or charcoal….....................15.00
Time: 6 hours assuming you are not including smoke time.120.00
Total…................................................447.50/yr
Posted by PIMPSTAFFER HATER on January 18
Oops…
Butcher tape….......................5.00
Posted by PIMPSTAFFER HATER on January 18
Berlin I too have a pretty sweet deal. Two of my hunting spots here in Mclean County are within 5 minutes of where I live. Most of the costs I incur are when I head back to Adams County to hunt.
The important thing to me is that you can’t put a price tag on the experiences that I’ve gained over the years. The friendships that have blossomed and grown by hunting. Sitting around a campfire after hunting all day sipping on a beer and recalling all of the hunting stories from years past.
Hunting has nothing to do with the money but more so the overall experience. Last year my girlfriend went out and shot her first deer ever and I have to say I was more excited seeing her shoot a deer than any deer that I shot that year.
Some of my best memories of hunting don’t even involve a kill. I always take the week before gun season off to bow hunt. I saw a doe this year being chased by 6 bucks! It was one of the most incredible 20 minutes I have ever had in a tree stand and I never even got to shoot.
Posted by illinibowhunter on January 18
Now PIMPSTAFFER HATER, I didn’t say anything was free and I did say equipment costs and some of your cost estimates are high on some, low on others. And my projects, my time is free I just love doing it. After hunting season is over I do this on my week ends if I am not out cutting wood, with either a cold Bud, Beam & Coke or some homemade wine. But I would rather have your check list for me than the one you posted just above it. And no one even put the cost of the bow/gun on their price list.
Posted by berlin on January 18
Agree BERLIN and the only thing better than finding guys that go from field to knife to table, is finding the same guy who enjoys a cold St. Louis Martini and a Coke mixer. My choice however is KY Straight- make it Woodford or Buffalo Trace.
Posted by PIMPSTAFFER HATER on January 18
ILBOWHUNTER-I know for the love of the sport money doesn’t matter, the hunt and not the kill is what is fun. But, I will admit letting an arrow fly and the sound of it hitting is still one heck of a rush. Maybe what I am trying to say is that it just kills me what paople have to pay and go through to get a place to hunt anymore. With some of the price lists that was put up earlier it just got me to thinking, now I know you can’t put a price tag on your time for your hobby or passion. What it was like when I started hunting, a heck of a simplier time. Wasn’t near as many deer, hunted in a camo coat and blue jeans and still shot deer,if I would have heard the words food plot I would have thought of someones garden, hope you understand what I was getting at now.
Posted by berlin on January 18
Berlin, deer hunting is a cheap hobby compared to cutting firewood…Don’t tell my wife, she thinks I am saving us money by heating our house with wood…LOL
Posted by outdoorlivin247 on January 18
Hunting is getting more an more expensive these days and If you think about it the tag is probablly one of the least expensive items you purchase for hunting. I look at a tag as an opportunity and not an expense, and that opportunity is priceless.
Posted by bowfisher1 on January 18
after having about met my maker 3yrs ago i realize what every day hunting means, just to be there
Posted by joecarver on January 18
New Brave Splitter-$1350
24” stihl 8yrs old-$750
18” stihl 11yrs old-$250
wood burner -$1200
fire place when house was built-forgot
Maul wedges metal/plastic-$60
gallon bar oil-$10
chainsaw gas,oil year-$30
Truck gas year-$80-$100
Beer, Aleve, Icy Hot-Don’t Care
Wife not complaining because she is cold-all well worth it
And I know I missed a few misc. chain sharpening, hydraulic fluid, etc. etc. but most are one time costs, better heat and don’t have to send the utility co. money. Plus it helps keeps the spare tire around the middle down, either out in the timber or pasture somewhere and off the couch.
Posted by berlin on January 19
Why do meat hunters have to justify their activity in economic terms? I know it’s not cost effective, but I like eating venison, making jerky, getting some sausage made, etc. I enjoy processing my own deer. Beef is not an acceptable substitute any more than a pack of grocery-store mushrooms is for a bunch of morels (if you factor in time and gas to mushroom hunting, that activity probably doesn’t make much sense either). Why don’t trophy hunters have to answer the same questions: If you want something to hang on your wall, wouldn’t it be a lot cheaper to go to Walmart and buy a poster?
Posted by Murdy on January 19
Now Murdy you have seen where the head hunters say that them big bucks eat just as well as the little ones :>) I bet when they go out eat they want steak from a ton bull instead of a 800-1000ld calf there is no difference :>(
Posted by berlin on January 19
Guys, this conversation is just another privilege among hunters. Take it easy. I doubt anyone reading this would say that they would rather spend precious time and money on anything else than the nourishment and fun of the hunt. It is simply priceless. We can try to quantify it any way we want, but for goodness sake, relax: this is America, everyone gets an opinion, and anyone gets to disagree. C’mon, October!
Posted by shooter49 on January 20