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If you voted for Rauner based on deer management you should lose your right to vote.
Posted: 02 January 2015 06:46 PM   [ Ignore ]
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So says Dale Bowman of the Chicago Sun Times.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/outdoors/7/71/238231/declining-deer-harvest-big-issue-illinois


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Declining deer harvest a big issue in Illinois
Posted: 12/26/2014, 09:21pm | Dale Bowman
Hunters in Illinois once again found themselves staring at woods and fields with far fewer deer. It was the biggest story in Illinois outdoors in 2014. | Dale Bowman/for the sun-times

Hunters walk their deer ideas from the tunnel vision of their stands to a worldview.

From the prism of individual views came the biggest story in Illinois outdoors in 2014: ‘‘What the hell is wrong with the deer?’’ The historic collapse of the number of deer harvested by Illinois hunters in the 2013-14 seasons looks as though it will be nearly mirrored in the 2014-15 seasons.

In the 2013-14 seasons, hunters harvested 148,569 deer, down 17.8 percent from 180,811 in 2012-13. There was a 25.3 percent drop in firearm harvest, from 99,546 in 2012 to 74,318 in 2013.

Many factors swirled into the perfect storm. Back-to-back drought summers in 2012 and 2013 brought outbreaks of epizootic hemorrhagic disease (likely higher than the official counts of several thousand dead deer). Then came the historic winter of 2013-14, which limited hunter effort. More needs to be known about predation, especially by coyotes on fawns. The most changeable factor is the hunting effort sanctioned by the Illinois Department of Natural Resources after the decision by the Joint Legislative Task Force on Deer Population Control in 2008 to reduce the deer herd.

The IDNR tweaked a few regulations for the 2014-15 seasons: Late-winter antlerless-only deer season is closed in 20 additional counties, either-sex permits were reduced by 4,925 and antlerless-only permits were cut by 6,375.

Harvest numbers remain off so far. Firearm harvest rose slightly, from 74,318 in 2013 to 76,547 this year. Muzzleloader harvest was down slightly, from 3,485 last year to 3,444 this year. Illinois bowhunters had harvested 51,530 deer through last Sunday, compared with 52,888 at the
same time in 2013.

This fall, forest wildlife program manager Paul Shelton said he expected overall harvest ‘‘between last year and some of the higher harvests before then.’’ He projected a total harvest between 160,000 and 170,000 for the 2014-15 seasons. It might reach that.

The Illinois deer harvest peaked in 2005 (201,209) and ranged between 180,000 and 200,000 in the years after that until the collapse of 2013-14.

A point to note here: The deer herd isn’t in trouble; the debate is about hunter expectations for deer.

Illinois’ deer herd concerns me more as a citizen than as a hunter. Deer have significant economic value and value in the overall perception of Illinois as a destination (the drop in trophy bucks might have a long-term impact), but that is nowhere near the top of my concerns for the IDNR or the state.

For the IDNR, fracking regulations are far more important than whether the deer harvest goes back to its glory days of a decade ago. So are general-access issues for public recreation and public-land acquisition in a state that ranks 47th for public access.

That brings me back to tunnel vision.

Don Higgins had a guest blog Nov. 14 on HeartlandOutdoors.com that suggested deer hunters helped Gov.-elect Bruce Rauner.

‘‘While it would be impossible to say just how many votes were cast on the issue of Illinois’ pathetic deer management, make no mistake [that] the typical Illinois deer hunter did not cast a vote for [former Gov. Pat] Quinn in the election.’’

I’m sorry, but the deer harvest isn’t even close to being as important as bigger state issues. People who voted for governor because of deer management should lose their right to vote. We’re talking about a state that needs to redo basic financing, needs to redo pension funding and, morally, needs to restructure taxation and fund distribution
for education.

Sometimes it’s important to walk, literally and figuratively, back from the deer stand to the everyday world.

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Posted: 02 January 2015 07:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Come get my voter card…..The number one reason I voted for Rauner was for the deer. Plus our state is in a world of hurt from being run by morons!. I hope he has a IDNR firing party and starts with the top turd because shizz rolls down hill.

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Posted: 02 January 2015 07:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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I, for one, enjoy our democratic system where you get to vote for whoever you want for whatever reason you want. I’m glad you’re not in charge, red.

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Posted: 02 January 2015 08:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Anyone that would make that comment is a complete moron or as i call them chicago democrats .

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Posted: 02 January 2015 08:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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I agree Mattg.  A complete moron.  And even worse, a democrat.

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Posted: 02 January 2015 08:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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goodsoil - 02 January 2015 07:51 PM

I, for one, enjoy our democratic system where you get to vote for whoever you want for whatever reason you want. I’m glad you’re not in charge, red.

You should try reading. Mr. Dale Bowman of the Sun Times suggests you forfeit your voters card, not I good sir. I am merely pointing out the article at the top right corner of this website.

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Posted: 03 January 2015 09:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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I did read the entire article. I assumed that last paragraph was your own words rather than part of the article since you posted it and titled your thread with the same wording.  What’s your stance red?  Agree with the article or disagree?

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Posted: 03 January 2015 10:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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goodsoil - 03 January 2015 09:31 AM

I did read the entire article. I assumed that last paragraph was your own words rather than part of the article since you posted it and titled your thread with the same wording.  What’s your stance red?  Agree with the article or disagree?

I just copied and pasted it, but I titled the thread that so people would read it and maybe send the moron who wrote it a polite FU email. While I agree with Mr. Bowman our cesspool of a state has more pressing issues than deer management, deer management has a profound economic impact on land owners, farmers, and business owners. I wonder if Mr. Bowman thinks those who vote solely based on race should lose their right to vote. Better yet what about voting for a candidate because George Clooney or some reality show said on their Instagram account to vote for , should those people also lose their right to vote?

We are a country of singular issues for most, with the only requirement to vote is to be alive (unless you are a Chicago democrat), and I don’t see why Mr. Bowman has a problem with deer management being your most important issue especially when nothing will get done of any significance in this state until all the Mells, Madigans, Jacksons, Daleys, etc are all “gone” along with their entire bloodline, friends, and business associates.

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Posted: 03 January 2015 01:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Awesome, Red, i apologize for assuming your intentions of the post.  I was wrong.  With your explanation in this post, i agree with you totally, and thanks for posting the article as i had not noticed it.  Seems like a lot of the times i click those links in the top right of the main page, they are broken or dead links.

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Posted: 03 January 2015 01:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Like I said in the IWA comments….  If they take away a voters rights because he voted based on deer management.  Then they should also take away voters rights if someone voted for the candidate most likely to give them more entitlement programs.  Like Red said, many casual voters only vote for a candidate based on one specific issue that is important to him.

You know how many women voted for Obama because of abortion rights? TONS!!!!!  “If my daughter or I get raped, I want the choice to have an abortion” 
They won’t vote for a republican based on that one narrow ideal.  As if the biggest priority for a conservative president is going to be to take away any and all pro-choice laws.  Like Bowman said….there are so many more important issues to deal with.  But that’s what’s important to those voters.

I’ve read many of Dales articles over the last few years.  But that was the last one.  I’m glad the links at the top of HO list the authors of the articles.  That way I can avoid his stuff.

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Posted: 03 January 2015 03:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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red51 - 03 January 2015 10:48 AM
goodsoil - 03 January 2015 09:31 AM

the Mells, Madigans, Jacksons, Daleys, etc are all “gone” along with their entire bloodline, friends, and business associates.

Red, do you remember a show called Dragnet, with Jack Webb.  Weekly, they stated, “The names have been changed to protect the innocent.”  In the case of Illinois, from my youth (60+ yrs. ago), the names have changed, but the politicians are still guilty, not innocent.  The Daley name remains, but others have gone-many to prison (please excuse the poor spelling)-Fast Eddie Verdoliak, Rostenkoski, Kerner, Paul Powell (deep southern Il., Vienna), Jerry Cosentino (E. St. Louis area, I believe), Orville Hodge (a Republican), only to be replaced by your list.  When those people are gone, they will be replaced by others of their same ilk.  Hey, the way many of those NE districts are set up, you could elect a bloated, three day old, road killed skunk if it had a D after it’s name.  The same is true for portions of the E. St. Louis area.
Call me a pessimist, but I don’t see any improvement unless Chicago (maybe all of Cook and the collar counties) somehow floats off into Lake Michigan, never to be seen again.

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Posted: 03 January 2015 03:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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I voted for Rauner because of deer, yes indeed I did. The fact that every blue state is a fiscal disaster and ours leads the way had nothing to do with it. My voter card should be taken away but the black inner city people that can’t even read and are bussed to the polls by the liberal elite to vote for issues they don’t understand should keep theirs?

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Posted: 03 January 2015 08:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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I voted for Rauner but I don’t believe the status of our whitetail herd is a reason to vote him in. And I guarantee the DNR issues are at the bottom of his to do list. We voted him in because we as a state are tired of dealing with the Democrat Governors and the messes they created.

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Posted: 03 January 2015 09:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Red thanks for posting that one some how I missed it.  Wow Dale your last two articles are really off base on deer hunters.  Previous article that the only ones complaining the loudest are trophy hunters, please Dale, most hunters are complaining (your words) my words are concerned on the overall status of the deer heard.  Your voter comment is absurd, and I always got the feeling from your articles that you give Shelton benefit of the doubt when you know what he has done is not good.  See ya at Braidwood!

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Posted: 05 January 2015 01:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Here is another little clip from Bowman’s article & pic =

“Hunters in Illinois once again found themselves staring at woods and fields with far fewer deer. It was the biggest story in Illinois outdoors in 2014.” | Dale Bowman/for the sun-times’

Let me again post what I see as one of the biggest take always from this article =
“It was the biggest story in Illinois outdoors in 2014.” ....Dale Bowman/for the sun-times
This moron says it was the biggest outdoors story in the whole state AND then says if you voted against Quinn, based on the biggest outdoors story of 2014, you should lose your right to vote ??????
Here is the real sad part….Bowman is an ‘outdoors writer’
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I guess that makes me kind of think he is implying that pretty much nothing, in the outdoors, has any bearing on politics in IL ?????
If Bowman thinks outdoorsman should lose their voting right, well maybe Bowman should no longer be an outdoors writer !!!
At the least, Mr. Bowman owes all the outdoorsmen & women of the state of IL, a published written apology !

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