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usfws havana wilder oxbow area
Posted: 25 October 2014 09:11 AM   [ Ignore ]
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D U payed 600thousand dollars to have the usfws wilder area contored ponds created ect. Have you seen your federl duckstamp money thrown away. Walk to the oxbow dam its washed out no stop boards. No hunting most years. The bs from the usfw is the river did get high enough will the wilder area water gayes as of yesterday had water three quarters up the river side. They tile was not opened to supply wayer to the hunting area. Look past the bs they pump the field by dickson mounds it flows in to the oxbow area. The fields they pump are right ag fields on dickson mounds road. They pump it with a tractors two a large permitly fuel station . The water just flows throught oxbow area through broken dam to river,post some pics guys its thier to see right in front of all of you. Federal duck stamp money payed for it all. It belongs to all of you Not the lazy employees of the usfws. Please get out thier see for your self first facts see for your self.

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Posted: 25 October 2014 10:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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rSpelling off In post but I forgot they only move the mower and dozers when the area Wilder has hunters in it hunting. The 30 ton rock pile at the parking area is dangerous its left over from the leave project in witch they had long hoes dozers dump trucks all sitting in the wilder area but could drive across thr road to fix the oxbow dam. Also go hunting craig the usfws employees just will drive through hunting area 9 out of ten hunts hes out driving no fixing anything..Anti hunter or hunter harassment see for your self.White maintenance vehicle go to the oxbow area no tracks on gated road here he comes every day I hunted .thier.Yes the usfw employee went to the oxbow dam and pulled the boards out of the dam drained it while I was hunting. and took them put them in his truck.

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Posted: 30 October 2014 02:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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In response to the post by Tell, I think it only fair to actually talk about facts.  If anyone wants the facts rather than listen to someone who is angry, go see the refuge manager.  He will be happy to sit down and discuss why things are managed as they are and tell you about plans to increase hunting and wildlife observation opportunities on the refuge.  Here are the facts:

First, duck stamp money was not thrown away.  The Wilder area project was completed several years ago according to the project plan.  Second, the Oxbow dam and water control structure are not part of that project and were put in many years before, not using duck stamp funding.  This structure is old and failing and beavers have dug around the pipe causing it to fail.  Operation of the structure (putting in boards) can cause flooding of cropland on an adjacent landowner and loss of his crops, so it could only be used under certain conditions.  Last year during the federal furlough, an unknown citizen(s) took it upon themselves to place boards in the oxbow structure even though the refuge was officially closed.  People who don’t know what kind of agreements are in place shouldn’t be attempting to manage water.  They could have harmed one of their neighbors by destroying their crops.  That is the refuge’s responsibility to know those things.  Boards have not been pulled this year because they were not put in this year.  Therefore, Tell could not have seen a refuge employee pulling boards while he was hunting.

Third, in the Wilder unit, in order for water to enter the unit and flood enough area to allow hunting, the river gauge at Havana has to be above 12.0 feet.  If the river gets higher than 15.5 feet, water goes over the spillway.  The river gauge readings can be seen here.

http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/hydrograph.php?wfo=ilx&gage=havi2

During hunting seasons the refuge tries to avoid working in open hunting areas.  Most times, these areas are too wet to do anything.  Aside from weekly bird counts (needed to determine how management actions are working) or periodic checks to monitor water levels, visits to units during morning hunting hours are limited.  Most visits to units such as Wilder are done late morning or early afternoon to keep from disturbing hunters.  During the fall of 2013, Wilder had to be kept dry in order to build the new spillway. Refuge employees are not out harassing hunters.  For the past two weeks, the employee who Newbie claimed was driving around every day, was working on the North Pool at Chautauqua, not at Wilder or the Oxbow.

The bottom line here folks is that there are many things about management of your national wildlife refuges that you may not know are happening behind the scenes.  If you are uncertain what is happening or why, please go visit your refuge manager who will be happy to meet you at the site or at the office and discuss your concerns.

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