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Posted: 14 October 2014 10:55 AM   [ Ignore ]
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Am I correct in assuming it is too late to apply for the $15 Single E/S Archery Permit?  I looked through the DNR site and it doesn’t give me the option to print it, since it listed only a 30 day application window.

If so…..why is it we can buy so many other permit types OTC, but not this one?

To keep people from killing a buck and then running to WalMart to buy a single E/S tag to put on it?  To keep NR hunters from killing a buck on one of their unlimited A/O tags…..and then running to WalMart for an E/S tag?

I’d like to buy a second E/S Archery tag.  But I don’t want another A/O Archery tag to go with it.

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Posted: 14 October 2014 11:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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You re stuck with a combo I believe. But….. I ve been wrong in the past like every day I wake up!

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Posted: 14 October 2014 11:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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yep - combo only. i actually was at dnr this morning and one of their employees confirmed that the only way to buy an either sex archery tag at this point is to buy the combo.

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Posted: 14 October 2014 11:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Self - You are correct.  At this time only the combo permit is an option.  Resident single either-sex archery permit applications are submitted during August.

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Posted: 15 October 2014 07:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Tom, any insight as to why we can’t buy them OTC?

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Posted: 15 October 2014 08:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Money, greed, corruption….take your pick.

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Posted: 16 October 2014 12:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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c’mon DozR.  It’s a legitimate question.

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Posted: 17 October 2014 02:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Yes, it is a legitimate question.  The answer is not as easy.  In 1990, prior to issuing antlerless only (AO) permits, archery deer hunters took 70% bucks.  Even after we started issuing AO tags in the early 1990’s, archery harvest was still only comprised of thirty-something percent does.  Clearly, archery hunters needed a little motivation to help us meet population goals by harvesting more female deer.  We accomplished that by using the combination permits.  Since doing that we’ve been able to get archery deer harvest sex ratios to 50:50.

DNR did away with the single either-sex archery permit in 2006.  There was relatively little demand for that permit (1,557 of 170,900 archery permits issued in 2005), and those obtaining it were not contributing to the desired herd reduction effort (at the time).  A bow hunter with multiple permits in hand is more likely to kill something than a person with a single either-sex permit.

Recently (2011), the legislature required DNR to again issue a single either-sex archery permit.  The legislative proposal suggested that an “oversight” was being corrected, but that was not the case.  We had purposely eliminated a permit which was not contributing to achieving population goals.  We were opposed to that legislation as we could demonstrate the effectiveness of the combo permit in contributing to a more balanced archery harvest, as described above. 

Time will tell what effect, if any, a return to this permit offering will have.  Bear in mind that the cost for a single either-sex archery permit could be $25, as it is for firearm permits.  The archer with a single either-sex permit (now $15) allows him/her to ‘buck’ hunt for 100+ days; while the firearm hunter has only seven.  Anyone filling their single either-sex archery permit may purchase a combination tag ($26) if they wish to pursue a second buck; or any number of single AO archery tags ($15.50) if they wish to increase the doe harvest where they hunt.  Tom

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Posted: 17 October 2014 07:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Thank you for the history lesson.  I sincerely appreciate it.  And I have a couple more responses.

“DNR did away with the single either-sex archery permit in 2006.  There was relatively little demand for that permit (1,557 of 170,900 archery permits issued in 2005), and those obtaining it were not contributing to the desired herd reduction effort (at the time).  A bow hunter with multiple permits in hand is more likely to kill something than a person with a single either-sex permit.”

-So now that deer numbers are at much more desirable (by the DNR) numbers, why aren’t BOTH options available over the counter.  Those that wish to have a combo, can get a combo.  Shouldn’t those that DON’T want a combo, have the option not to buy one?  Especially since the demand for them is clearly low.  The masses are obviously satisfied, and it would be easy to satisfy the rest.

“Bear in mind that the cost for a single either-sex archery permit could be $25, as it is for firearm permits.  The archer with a single either-sex permit (now $15) allows him/her to ‘buck’ hunt for 100+ days; while the firearm hunter has only seven.”

-Seems like comparing apples and oranges to me.  There is no comparison in success rate/days hunted between firearm and archery hunters.  Gun hunters pay a higher premium and get a lower risk of failure.  It wasn’t that long ago that firearm permits weren’t $25, but $15 instead.  Besides, those who have to buy combo tags when they only want one E/S…..are paying as much as the firearm hunters, to kill one deer.

  “Anyone filling their single either-sex archery permit may purchase a combination tag ($26) if they wish to pursue a second buck; or any number of single AO archery tags ($15.50) if they wish to increase the doe harvest where they hunt.”

-If we don’t desire to increase the doe harvest, we still have to buy a doe tag if we want a second buck tag.  In my case, we choose to kill our does later in the season with our firearm permits.  If we are lucky enough to harvest a buck with a bow, and wish to continue buck hunting with a bow….we have to waste our money on a doe permit we have no intention of filling.

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Posted: 17 October 2014 08:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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I’ve really gotta hand it to DNR this time. I didn’t think they had it in them but somehow they managed to twist even this simple issue into a DNR-is-doing-great-things-with-the-deer-herd answer. A regime that has stated countless times that they don’t care about managing a herd for quality wants us to believe that we are only allowed to buy a single antlerless tag for 30 days because it is in the best interest of the Illinois deer herd .... WOW!!!!!!!!!!

I could have answered this question with 5 words ... “It’s all about the money”

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Posted: 17 October 2014 08:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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So let me get this straight, in 2011 lawmakers made a law that may interfere with you completely destroying the deer herd in illinois, so you attempted to side track that law my making the tags as hard to get as possible?

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Posted: 07 November 2014 07:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Do you have any idea how many bow hunters in this state that are happy to have two permits at once ?? The bow hunters I talk with are more than happy to have two different options while in the stand.

“DNR did away with the single either-sex archery permit in 2006.  There was relatively little demand for that permit (1,557 of 170,900 archery permits issued in 2005), and those obtaining it were not contributing to the desired herd reduction effort (at the time).

That is less than 1% of the total permits issued, and many of you what to call foul because the DNR did away with these permits. I would think twice before making this issue my Waterloo folks, because it is an action taken due to the actions taken by the archery hunters.

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Posted: 07 November 2014 09:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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RTT….I’m well aware.  And I think I made it clear in my post that I accept the fact that MOST hunters are probably satisfied. 

But I call BS when every deer permit option available to hunters can be had either OTC, or during an ample application period…..EXCEPT ONE!?!?!? 

Maybe 90% of bow hunters are satisfied with the combo permits.  But surely even you can see that it would be so simple to expand the availability of the single E/S tags….and make 99% of the bow hunters happy.

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Posted: 10 November 2014 04:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Maybe 90% of bow hunters are satisfied with the combo permits.  But surely even you can see that it would be so simple to expand the availability of the single E/S tags….and make 99% of the bow hunters happy.


You could hand deliver any type a permit a hunter could desire, and some would still be upset, just the nature of some people I guess. Like trying to herd cats at times, maybe harder…........RTT

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