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Posted: 08 December 2014 05:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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I know i’m going to ruffle some feathers because i seem to be in the minority but if permits were limited statewide or even by individual county it would not necessarily solve the problem.  If hunters were limited to 2 deer (or pick any number at that) it would effect the management potential in high deer density areas and greatly effect the buck to doe ratio.  This comment should not be taken as bragging but on the several hundred acre parcel that we hunt (1 bowhunter, 3 gun hunters) we try to take anywhere from 10-15 deer per season (75% or more being does) depending on the herd density.  While this doesn’t apply to most people; the solution isn’t to limit the tags per hunter but possibly the amount of tags issued per county total (which is already done). 

In all honesty the best thing that can be done is for local hunters to unite and try to formulate a plan of action for that area they hunt. Sure not everyone will be on board but calling for one buck limits, or 2 deer total limits, is not going to solve the problem that some people face.  Far too many hunters are complaining about low deer numbers while still shooting deer.  Alot of these hunters will complain next year again about the deer population.  Limits can not be imposed statewide or even county wide; there just isn’t a “catch all” way to “fix” things.

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Posted: 08 December 2014 05:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Two tags are plenty for anyone for 3-5 years.  If someone doesn’t like it…how about no deer for 10-15 years until the small heard rebounds.

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Posted: 08 December 2014 06:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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In central of the state we are hurting! I have seen small properties kill 20 plus deer a year go down to 3 or 4 the last 2 years. got relation below springfield and it seems like a different state completely

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Posted: 08 December 2014 06:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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I’d like to see some sort of tag cap that is realistic put on the sell of both archery and gun tags.  The type of cap that would be reached.  Not the unattainable, we’ll raise it if it’s reached, type of cap. 

I also agree that a Statewide reduction of tags to 2 per hunter would be a horrible idea in some places and a great idea for others.  I would love to see the numbers rebound where they are down, but there are still spots where a 2 deer per hunter limit with the current success ratios would result in a rapid population spike in an area that is at about the right population already.  I think it would be reasonable to allot tags on a county by county basis.  I don’t think we will ever see it managed on a smaller scale.  I’m not sure how that would even work.  Break each county into quarters or sections?

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Posted: 08 December 2014 06:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Interesting you talk about land prices over in the golden triangle Knox. The prices have gone up dramatically over the last 4 years and will continue to do so. 2 or 3 deer limit is good by me

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Posted: 08 December 2014 07:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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Elk 2, goodsoil, GIVE ME ONE REASON THAT A HUNTER NEEDS TO HARVEST MORE THAN 2 DEER PER YEAR??????????????  Its a complete waste harvesting any more than that.  I see good numbers most of the time, I am sure more than average.  I could have killed 40 deer this year and took one.  It just boggles my mind why a group of 4 hunters would need 15 deer.  How many do you give away when your group kills 15? I don’t mean donate, I mean not eat the deer with their wife and kids?  I eat plenty of venison, damn near daily off of one big mature deer.  You are right, you ruffled some feathers.  Its because of killers like your group that caused this mess, not the DNR, not the governor, KILL MONGERS.  This isn’t rocket science.

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Posted: 08 December 2014 07:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Two either-sex tags per resident hunter all seasons combined.  This should satisfy you if you still want your two bucks.  For non-residents, I’d allow one either-sex permit per hunter per year all seasons combined.  I’d allow for the sale of 5,000 non-rez deer permits per year…sold via lottery.  Minimum 5-year plan. 

Also, increase pay for CRP and CREP to get more acres dedicated to wildlife.  I have seen more brush lines and waterways tiled in the last couple years than ever.

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Posted: 08 December 2014 07:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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I’m tired of people hiding behind their “management” plan and sex ratio BS.  Our deer herd was just fine before the industry came to town and a 100% wild deer wasn’t good enough anymore.  It’s a smoke screen to justify the senseless killing of the deer herd.  It’s sad really. 
Those people won’t want to see any limit that cuts into their killing numbers and hat pin collection.

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Posted: 08 December 2014 08:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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I agree with Andy and CC. I think what needs changed is hunter behavior!

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Posted: 08 December 2014 08:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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How in the heck have land prices gone up the last 4 years in the so called Golden triangle? Isn’t it Pike , Adams and Brown? . 2 deer a year one buck one doe or two bucks period!. No out of state hunters unless they own land in Illinois for at least 5 years. I don’t get the golden triangle anyway . I have seen bucks in KNOX, FULTON , PEORIA, AND TAZEWELL Counties that would rival the golden triangle easily . Anyone that pays 4 plus thousand an acre for land to just hunt with minimal deer are completely crazy. But if you own it there and can get it Mr. Yellowstone all power to you.

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Posted: 08 December 2014 08:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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You are obvioulsy not up to date on the current market in WC IL. No where near $4K/ acre and it has been coming down steadily for a couple years.

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Posted: 08 December 2014 09:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Okay….Mr. Yellowstone says over the last 4 years the land prices have gone up dramatically in the golden triangle and Mr. JB says I have no clue about land prices they are going down. The last time I seen land for sale in Pike county it was around 4 g’s an acre.  What doe that average acre run in Pike county? . If its below 2 grand an acre I am going to buy some.

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Posted: 08 December 2014 09:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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CChunter, you’re angered response caused me to reread my post and i’m willing to admit that i guess i mis-spoke.  i’m not at all against a 2 deer limit per person.  what i was attempting to convey is that there isn’t one ‘bandaid’ that can be put on this mess that fixes the problem on a statewide basis.  it needs to be looked at regionally.  as you might expect, i’m not in the red zone of central or northern illinois where the numbers are dwindling.  i’m far south where we’ve seen little in the decline yet.  i’m sure it will get here if we stay on the current ‘mismanagement plan’ that our dnr has been implementing.  but, with that being said, if we cut tags to a rebounding level statewide, we could be overpopulated in a hurry. 
i’m also perfectly fine with a guy killing more than 2 deer a year in this type of scenario:  say he processes one into his favorite slim jims, summer sausage, brats, and burger for himself.  perhaps he has an elderly neighbor who enjoys a deer a year, but can’t hunt anymore.  maybe he kills one for him.  and possibly a 3rd for the family down the road with 8 kids in a single wide trailer who are living off the state and one income. 
what i’m saying is, i’m okay with deer being killed if they are being used.  i think it’s pretty stupid that someone is allowed to kill 20 and ‘donate’ them to clear his conscience.  it seems odd that we need to limit the number of deer a person can donate, but the fact is, they aren’t doing it to be kind, they are doing it to get rid of the meat that they don’t need and just killed to be killing.  the truth is, that type of person would shoot a deer and never bring it out of the woods if it weren’t for waste laws.  and as far as Me being a Kill Monger,  KILLERS LIKE MY GROUP have killed exactly 3 does, 0 bucks since 2011.

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Posted: 08 December 2014 09:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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I’m for a two deer limit. One can be antlered.
I am NOT for out of staters. Make permit more $$$ and limit of one, suck it outfitters. It is you in my eyes that has ruined it for ALL of us (can I get a Boo-Ya).
I am NOT for nuisance permits. you and I subsidize enough already, limit of two. That’s still 4 deer total, more than enough.
Some good points by all. I too agree with Treehugger, let’s reinstate CRP and CREP, it’s good for all wildlife. It should be illegal to straighten a waterway and cut trees down to plant two more rows.

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Posted: 08 December 2014 09:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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A lot factors into the price per acre.  Is it simply wooded acres? Is there a residence? Utilities only? Tillable ground? Is there a pond? Access? Quality of neighbors?  Etc….  Most of the listings I’m seeing say price reduced which only makes sense based on the “evil empire” and their need for big antlers and cash flow. I’m sure Iowa and Kansas are much more profitable with the current state of our deer herd.  It’s like my old grandpa used to tell me when I was a wild and carefree teenager.  He’d say “bud, you can only sh@t in your own nest so many times before you’re gonna have to find a new nest”  I think we’re seeing the search for a new nesting grounds right now.  The plague is on the move.

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