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Crossbow Question???
Posted: 07 December 2012 09:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Hmmm, I would normally not engage in such but the abundance of ignorance on display is too much. Hunters compared to inmates, living in a brick wall one can only eat when fed, doesn’t see the sky let alone the woods. Has to listen to more ignorance some even bragging on what they did to be locked up. I don’t know that there could be a more ignorant statement. AK47 from xbow, ignorance abounds! Shotguns, blackpowder, compounds, when will it end, hell even allow an xbow that shoots a little over 300 ft per second. I am dumbfounded by the wisdom of some… Why the he$$ do we allow any weapons in the field?
  I am a bow hunter. I shoot an alpine that may shoot 300 ft per second at best. I am not threatened by those who choose to hunt with an xbow. I still understand all the work and time in the woods it takes to be a successful hunter. I will not stoop to idiocracy by bad mouthing those that choose perhaps a superior legal weapon than I choose to use. No wonder hunters are considered such ignorant souls by some… You sir are truly amazing!

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Posted: 07 December 2012 10:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Shooting a bow is not hard.  while a cross bow is demeaned for not being hard enough.
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The deer part is easy. Wait long enough for one to walk within range.
The range is about the same.
Still need a good shot angle.

A bow requires movement and muscle holding power.  The longer the wait, the more likely for a poor hold and loss of accuracy.
If the deer doesn’t bolt on pulling back, it may go on alert to your movement.  They usually do on me.  The next unusual noise or visual, it bolts.  Your target just moved. 

A crossbow lets you draw long before the deer gets there.  You can hold more accurately due to less muscle strain.  Even better, a rest takes a lot of the variability out of it.  Chances are your movement to sight your target was not noticed.  The deer is not on alert.  The first noise it hears is the release.  Your target may not have moved before impact. 

The hunter is a wildcard…

Which weapon has more chance for failure?  It’s my opinion, that all else being equal, the xbow will be more accurate and less chance for a poor hit for most folks.

What is hard?  Practicing and tuning.  If a cross bow requires minimal practice and lets someone take the first deer they shoot at, well that seems like a victory for the herd numbers and image of hunters in general.  Perhaps coyotes and other scavengers should be the ones complaining about xbows.

If killing a deer or animal is a justifiable act, the weapon should not matter.  I am not including spear throwing or other reckless ones.


 

 

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Posted: 08 December 2012 11:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Truly amazing?!!  Awww!  How sweet of you!  Made me all warm and fuzzy inside!

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Posted: 08 December 2012 12:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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BIG, I see your point with your fish finder analogy, however, fishermen can practice catch-and-release…and have been for decades now.  Hunting is one-and-done.  No takesies-backsies.  You can catch all the fish in the pond and throw them right back to fight another day.  Not so much when it comes to deer hunting.

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Posted: 08 December 2012 12:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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AMEN Brothers!.......speaking of fishing….this can o’ worms is big enough for all of us to hit the lakeside!...............tis the hunter that builds his rep and legacy in timbercraft….....rarely the equipment is to blame…....practice practice practice….................oh yea did i mention…....PRACTICE!

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Posted: 08 December 2012 01:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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VIRTUAL…Not sure I understand what you mean here, ” If a cross bow requires minimal practice and lets someone take the first deer they shoot at, well that seems like a victory for the herd numbers.”  What “victory for herd numbers” are you speaking of?

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Posted: 08 December 2012 01:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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I believe he is implying that because there is potential for a hunter to be more accurate with less practice that it will result in less deer that are shot and not recovered therefore less kills hence the victory for the herd.

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Posted: 08 December 2012 01:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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CoonassL.a.B. - 08 December 2012 12:27 PM

AMEN Brothers!.......speaking of fishing….this can o’ worms is big enough for all of us to hit the lakeside!...............tis the hunter that builds his rep and legacy in timbercraft….....rarely the equipment is to blame…....practice practice practice….................oh yea did i mention…....PRACTICE!

AND AMEN!!!

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Posted: 08 December 2012 01:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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I’m not real big on the training or schooling a qoute from a fellow poster and that is obvious!

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Posted: 08 December 2012 03:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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I grageated the 6th grade!  So what if I was 17!

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Posted: 08 December 2012 07:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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I was excited to take a xbow out this weekend but decided to stay home and catch up on work instead.  I will be out there next weekend with a pocket full of permits.

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Posted: 08 December 2012 08:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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We have started giving trophies to any kid that participates in a sport, win or lose. Everyone has the right to a cell phone. a big screen TV and a pack of cigarettes regardless of how much money they make.  Working people will pay for health care for those who choose not to work starting in 2014.  Lets redistribute the deer herd, bring on the x rifles!

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Posted: 08 December 2012 11:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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MattS - 08 December 2012 07:36 PM

I was excited to take a xbow out this weekend but decided to stay home and catch up on work instead.  I will be out there next weekend with a pocket full of permits.

  Best of luck to you MattS, I stayed out of the woods myself this weekend. Cleaned my limit of crappie today. Used plastic instead of minnows probably offended somebody, technology just not fair in some eyes…

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Posted: 10 December 2012 10:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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virtualSniper - 07 December 2012 10:18 PM

It’s my opinion, that all else being equal, the xbow will be more accurate and less chance for a poor hit for most folks.

Respect your opinion, Virtual, but gotta disagree with you on this.  All else being equal in terms of length of other seasons and number of permits issued, I strongly feel that the xbow will increase the number of deer killed. I know a few folks that have used xbow for many years and they still have about the same number of un-retrievable wounded deer that most other compound archers do. It happens to the best of us.  There’s really no difference in accuracy between xbow and today’s compounds. But what about busting the deer or rushing the shot on a deer that has alerted to your presence?  Let’s call this the “bust factor”.  You say that this error would generally happen more frequently with compound than xbow. While possibly true, I think this difference is irrelevant because people take rush/hurried shots all the time with other weapons, and this is the main reason for lost wounded deer.  Local deer herds may be different, but I think that most deer will bolt or move well out of range when alerted to an archer’s presence - giving most archers (compound users and xbow users combined) absolutely no shot.  This is the type of deer herd I experience anyways.  Therefore, it probably won’t matter if a xbow user or compound user busts a deer. The hunt is over. No shot.  (generally speaking.  YMMV).  However, I feel there is a significant advantage in this “bust factor” favoring the xbow.  Xbow hunters will take advantage of this “bust factor” because the bow is already drawn for you and in many situations you do not have to do much more than lift a finger to release that arrow. Less movement = less chances of spooking the deer = more arrows released = more deer wounded….and ultimately killed. You can also look at this from a legal standpoint from the “poaching factor”. Xbows will make it just a little bit more easier for folks to hunt deer at dark, with lighted scopes and little fear of being detected. Sure, folks can still poach after-hours with compounds - but again - technology makes it easier to do so with xbow. Increased number of poachers after dark could increase the number of poor shots at low light levels, and ultimately more lost/wounded/un-retrievable dead deer - again attributing to increasing xbow-related deer kills.

1) Bust factor - favors xbow
2) Poaching factor - favors xbow
3) Accuracy factor - neutral

All else being equal, more deer killed with the introduction of xbow that otherwise would not have been killed. . . . on a statewide level (YMMV).  I have no problem with the xbow. I may hunt with one someday. But I also realize that by doing so that would be giving myself a little bit of an advantage over my compound setup. Is that wrong?  I don’t think so.  But I also don’t think we should be fooling ourselves with the differences in technology and what it would mean to our deer herd.  Won’t be long before xbow becomes part of the entire archery season. We have little reason to dispute with that. The bar has already moved once. It’ll likely keep moving in that same direction.

 

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Posted: 10 December 2012 01:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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enjycreation - 08 December 2012 11:15 PM

Best of luck to you MattS, I stayed out of the woods myself this weekend. Cleaned my limit of crappie today. Used plastic instead of minnows probably offended somebody, technology just not fair in some eyes…

I just spit coffee on the monitor!

enjycreation, plastics are too much of an advantage.  Can’t believe the IDNR allow it!  It’s an outrage.  But, if you haven’t got the skill to go “Old school”  with minnows, I guess you hae the right to use the crutch…

 

Hahahahahah!

(Note:  That was all sarcasm and humor.  smile )

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