I can see what little fishing we have done for them how it can become a hard core passion, but I just enjoy fishing of all kinds. And as good as these are to eat I don’t see myself giving up crappie, gills etc. ect. Just last week over at Otter we trolled for them first, then crappie fished for a while, trolled again for hybrids then catfished for a hour or so before going home. Now we figured when trolling for them setting the hook was probably not needed after trolling for salmon up north, with these fish being big and strong and hitting the way they do. Now using live bait for us might be a little different on setting the hook though, old habits are hard to break. Looks like I will be buying some new plastics soon (white, I get it) and some bigger jig heads. We are going in the morning to give a go at it again. Thanks again for the info and anybody else has opinions please give them.