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Deer Hunting of Old?
Posted: 25 June 2012 03:19 PM   [ Ignore ]
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I am writing this and in no way am I slamming anyone for how they hunt, what they hunt, what they do with their property. Am I an expert on Deer (NO WAY). But have we lost our way on deer hunting? I read article after article of people buying, leasing or just getting new places to hunt. They go in and mow trails, create food plots, clear brush, just change the old landscape of the property. (And no, I am not aiming this at Flatlander after reading about his new property this is something that has been on my mind for a while.) Why even bother scouting the property, Deer movement is going to change after all this is done anyway. they will start using the newly mowed trails. Does anyone ever consider how doing this to a 40, 50, 75 acre plot is going to effect the Deer movement on the properties all around you. May this be why some have problems with neighbors, maybe, deer having been moving certain ways for years and as the new land owner you change things to help yourself but hurt everyone around you. And who is say that they have been trying to manage the herd a certain way, just saying. I am not even caring how much a person spends, they made their money spend it the way they want. But does anyone just get a place to hunt, scout it, check the trails to see if any big ones may be present (tracks) for early in the season, find where there bedding and where they may feed at certain times of the year. I don’t even like trail cam’s, I like hunting to see what may walk out, that’s what gets my blood pumping. I see guys that have pictures of big deer then it is shot by someone else, their pi$$ed the rest of the season, why, they didn’t have that Deer branded. Can anyone find their stand in the dark with just a flashlight anymore and maybe just pulling a few branches out of the way to be quite. But then who am I to say I use a compound, not a recurve or longbow and wear camo instead of the old red flannel coats of old. Just saying, Like I started I am not slamming anyone just wondering.

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Posted: 25 June 2012 04:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Well Berlin i don’t disagree with totally, but this time we live in is a new age for sure. the days of being able to get permission to hunt several pieces of property in one area is over. so i totally understand dressing up a piece of land to make it more desireable for whatever species you are hunting. also in the fast paced world we live in and with the instant gratification that the new generation is accustomed too TIME is of the essence or no time to waste do all the things necessary for the outcome. I find myself in that situation occasionally with only a few weekends to hunt by myself because of the weekends spent with kids trying to teach them how to find stands without a GPS on their I phones. How to properly look for signs, whether it is bedding areas trails scrapes rubs, how to properly skin and butcher. Heck how to age a deer (after they have made their first kill) to ensure they shoot a mature deer. Gun season is public land mostly and bow season for me is waiting on a friend to invite me to go or hunt public ground and we all know how public ground hunting goes. the best plans laid out usually get trashed by someone walking their dog or another local has found YOUR SECRET SPOT!!!!!!! We can do everything we can to preserve the old ways of doing things but in the end things change with the times.

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Posted: 25 June 2012 10:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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The good ole days, as far as deer hunting is concerned, are behind us in Illinois. It’s all going to come down to money from this point forward and it will get worse each and every year. Very very soon the day will come when only the very rich and their friends will be the only ones hunting, as they will control most all of the land. Public lands will become so crowded that just seeing a deer while hunting public ground will be a victory for most hunters. As if they aren’t already, small game animals will become nearly extinct as farmers turn the CRP back to farmland, and destroy small areas of brush and timber to create more tillable ground.  I have seen this happening everywhere in the last couple of years for the first time in decades. Wooded areas and farmland are also being constantly destroyed for housing as well. We will need every available acre in the near future in order to feed a world population spiraling quickly out of control, and one price we will pay is the loss of hunting. I feel fortunate to have had my time in the woods. Enjoy it while you are out there and realize how lucky you are to have that opportunity.

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Posted: 26 June 2012 08:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Tsk, tsk ,tsk…. Berlin I find myself wondering as well. I enjoyed what you had to post. Change, change and more change is what I need cause the change in my pockets don’t get me hunting rights anywhere. I thoroughly enjoy finding new land to hunt, scouting, finding all the things you have mentioned. As it continues to get tougher to find land available to hunt without competing with some sandwhich shop guy to bid on the land and some how I don’t think he is going to invite me to hunt with him public land becomes my options. Now I am blessed to live between some failry good public land if I were to choose over in Vermillion county or west to Dewitt. I do know I am not the only one aware of this so shared public land has it’s obstacles to overcome. With tv going from a couple to 4 channels depending on how the rabbit ears were working on that day to people carrying small computers on their hip calling them phones, the microwave and so many other changes hunting has been a way to escape to nature and simplier things. It too has become complicated if a guy is going to compete for harvesting the dwindling herd. If I am able to get some land although I enjoy and agree with what you are wondering I must say I am going to do everything possible to attact the herd or anything possible to make them legally feel at home on my property. My passion is for the old ways but I grew up hearing if you can’t run with the big dogs….lol

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Posted: 26 June 2012 09:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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As outdoorsmen/women there is a special place in all our minds where we daydream, wonder and maybe yearn for “the good old days.” We somehow place it in a higher place of importance for various reasons. But maybe, just maybe it is because in remembering how those good old days used to be, we are somehow transported to a place in time when we were younger, less stressed, possibly healthier and maybe experiencing things in the woods/streams for the magical first time. In our minds eye, that’s where we want to stay and that could be what we want in our hunting. But in reality, we can’t stay in that place. We can smile when we remember it but we must move forward. Our ancestors knew they needed to as well. They threw rocks, then sticks, then spears, then bows/arrows, then traps then guns etc… etc… They used scents (maybe charcoal, smoke or dirt) to get closer to game. They too altered the path of the game they hunted as best they could. Same goes for the advances in fishing. My point is that the advances in the taking of fish/game is a natural progression.

I agree that I too love remembering the good old days, and respect and understand that everyone is different in terms of what they want out of their experiences in the field. I for one am not opposed to the advances that have come in the industry. Some of them I choose to embrace (trail cams, rangefinders, food plots, mowed paths, cover scents to name a few.) Others I choose not to embrace. As I said before, the natural progression of technology/tools is going to happen. We don’t always have to participate. That is our decision. Just understand it is going to happen. Make the experiences YOURS by whatever definition you want and enjoy each of them. 

 

 

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Posted: 26 June 2012 11:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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I have been blessed that where I live our family has been here forever, Memorial Day I put flowers on Great Great Great Grandparents graves and could probably go back farther so our family is pretty well known and because of that I have had access to hunt lots of private farm ground, we even still had small farm tracts to hunt when I was a kid. When I started bow hunting many years ago I could go about anywhere but as time has gone on I lost ground to being sold or leased. I have even lost ground do to not being to hunt it all and the farmer allowed someone else to hunt it. Most places I hunt today though I can pretty much do whatever I want but don’t, it’s just the way I am. At being in my early 50’s now I just hope that some of the places I hunt I can hold onto until health or age says no more. Now I live with in a 20-25 minute drive from Jim Edgar SP and there are still some awful good quality deer there but I very seldom hunt there. The reason and this may sound silly, I have good places to hunt, I may not always get a big buck but I do get plenty enough to have meat in the freezer, some of you don’t have this luxury so you are stuck with having to hunt public ground. I just feel that If I go I may mess up another guy’s hunt by accident not knowing where their stand is, ruining their chances. Things are just so different now. Take for instance Whitetailfreak was asking about growing tomotoes, in a statement I talked about useing weed control and I got comments back against it, which I believe to each their own and don’t begrudge anybody. But I always wonder, would those same guys if they had the chance and they deer hunt would they go spray weed killer on the property so they could put a food plot in for deer, and if a deer fed from this food plot would that make them non-organic, not really because it had fed on corn and soybeans from a farmers field but I think you all get my point. I know I am kind of rambling on about things, but if anything blame it on Troy’s articles when he gets to going on about the past in his fishing stories it just brings back a lot of memories and then I just wonder where things are going now.

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