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Posted: 05 January 2015 11:30 AM   [ Ignore ]
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I am a strong advocate of a two deer limit, and want to come at it from a slightly different angle to explain why. I PERSONALLY know 3 “hunters” that have killed over 300 deer as a group over the last 7 years in Illinois, 95 percent were does. If you assume that each doe has one fawn (and many have 2), we can assume that 20 deer will turn into 40 deer a season later. Assuming they kill 50 deer one season, 7 years later they have in reality eliminated 3200 deer from the herd had those 50 does not have been killed. So 3200 year one, 1600 year two, 800 year three and so on down the line. Basically, these 3 people are responsible over a 7 year period of a herd reduction of about 6000 deer the way I figure it. Lets say there are 3 people like this in every county in the state. 6000 times 102 is 612,000 less deer in our state because just 3 people in each county hunt this way! If there are just 9 guys per county doing this that’s over 1.8 million deer! I don’t think people truly realize the impact a game hog here and a game hog there can have on the state deer population, it is disastrous!

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Posted: 05 January 2015 01:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Yellowstone, Im a supporter of a 2 deer limit also.

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Posted: 05 January 2015 02:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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How does any one person let alone three find the time to kill and butcher that many deer? I hope they used every last part of those deer to feed their county that they are robbing. These are probably the same bozos complaining about the deer herd.

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Posted: 05 January 2015 02:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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At the least donating the food, no way are they eating that much. Don’t know what type of permits they are buying but that is between $3,800 to $4,000 in fees let alone arrows, broad heads, time and fuel, and then shotgun hunting costs. I would think this should send a red flag to DNR, all these permits being bought and used and send a CPO to go check what is really going on. They would either be selling it, or people are giving them money to go buy tags.

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Posted: 05 January 2015 02:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Count me in on the two deer limit . Nobody needs to kill more than that . One buck one doe is all that should be allowed .

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Posted: 05 January 2015 02:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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  I support the two deer limit also i’ve always heard nine out of ten adult does have twins most second year does have one while some have triplets I always figured one doe is equal to eight deer in three years

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Posted: 05 January 2015 02:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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I would support a (3) deer limit.  (1) buck & (2) does.

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Posted: 05 January 2015 03:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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I think Kevin (or someone else on HO) got the percentage of hunters who shoot 3 or more deer and I believe the percentage was rather low.  So a two deer limit really wound not effect a lot of hunters any way.  All for two deer limit.

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Posted: 05 January 2015 08:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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2 deer doesn’t work for everyone. I have got properties you can’t shoot enough and others that I won’t shoot deer on for years. You can’t put everyone under the same blanket. Its unfortunate people don’t use common sense on both sides of the fence.

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Posted: 05 January 2015 08:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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The common sense you speak of is absent in anyone who bitches about the Illinois deer herd and then does not agree with a 2 deer limit.  Any hunter who says they “need” more than two deer’s worth of venison is only making excuses so they feel better about the number of deer they want to KILL.  Think of it this way if a family of four consists of 3 hunters, they are allowed 6 deer, which is more than enough.  With the poor state of the Illinois deer herd anyone who uses common sense in the same statement as “2 deer doesn’t work for everyone” has major issues realizing how little of common sense there really is.  Give a real reason 2 deer doesn’t work for everyone.  Venison needs and management can not be used as reasons.  If you need more does taken, there are plenty of ways to get them reduced while complying with a two deer limit, your just taking the easy way out to make yourself feel good about the 4-9 deer you shoot every year.  If its a management deal, how many people are allowed to hunt a specific property?  Multiply that by 2 and there are your management goals.  If not, there are plenty of hunters out there that would love to come help.

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Posted: 05 January 2015 08:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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  I go for at most 4 with a 2 buck limit, am a bow hunter and don’t know how we got into this unlimited bow permit. We talk on this site as if its all the gun hunters , I think the biggest abusers are possibly bowhunters as they can wait til they shoot 2 then buy 2 more permits.

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Posted: 05 January 2015 08:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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If you own or lease ground why would you or should you be required to have additional hunter participation on the land you finance to meet your management goals. I call B.S. on that one.

I ve shot 2 deer in illinois this year, thank you. Couldve killed 200. So speak on what you know.


I rarely participate on this site because of the last post. Because someone has a different view than someone, there is almost always an immediate attack coming. Great representation for your stance on the issues.

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Posted: 05 January 2015 09:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Chris i dont think anyone was attacking you per say just some ( myself included ) feel strongly about trying to get our herd back . You may have a good number of deer on the property you hunt and thats great but as an old guy i can tell you that the over killing will catch up to you and the herd on your property. All it takes is a few new neighbors to move in and start with the same mind set and before you know it its over and your left scratching your head saying what the hell happened . I know looking out of the stand and seeing 50 to 100 deer a night you cant even imagine it can all be lost but as we have seen in pike county it can and it will without some common sense control. Hunting is not about killing its about being out in the great outdoors enjoying what god has given us . Too many people confuse the two and in my opinion and only my opinion the game hogs , thrill killers need forced restraint before they ruin it for all .

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Posted: 05 January 2015 10:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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I’m pretty sure I know one of the three out of the group that’s slaughtering all those deer.  It’s just plain sickening how many deer he shoots.  Almost all of them are given away.  Seasonal jobs allow some guys to hunt every day while drawing unemployment.

I think common sense is a major factor in this issue of a deer limit.  I’d go for the 2 deer limit but I seriously doubt we’ll ever see it. I can also understand a guy with private ground taking more deer if numbers are good.  With the current call in system it really doesn’t matter if there is a limit or not.  The small percentage of deer hogs will still shoot deer regardless of limits.

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Posted: 06 January 2015 10:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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“Its unfortunate people don’t use common sense on both sides of the fence.”  Chris - this is exactly why we need some sort of limit, whether its 2,3,4. - we need to start somewhere.  Its great that you have property to hunt that has plenty of deer, and maybe you seen it with your other properties that dont have deer.  But when you go from seeing 25 to 50 deer in a field a nite to seeing 3 to 5 in in a field in less than two years and the neighbors are still out hunting LWS, this is when I wish limits where put in place.  As I see it better to have some sort of limit in place before a downturn occurs, than after.  Now to rebuild the herd your fighting too many permits, too may seasons and basically no limits.

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Posted: 06 January 2015 11:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Name one guy that shoot over 5 deer a year?  You can’t and will not.

What do you do with the guy who owns 5,000 acres and shoots one buck per year or better yet does not allow hunting?

There are way too many variables to instill a two deer limit.  I would like to see the end of limitless permits, but two deer could be too few. 

My personal goal every year is three deer, two does and one buck.  I usually only end up with two deer and this year I only shot one.  I have no trouble eating three deer a year and only give out token amounts to friends and family. 

The last point I do not see discussed on here is that I have felt in order to help population in some areas it would be more of a benefit to the herd to shoot a small buck than does, has anyone practiced this?  I know in some areas you might get a bloody nose, but I think it could be the best approach.

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