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‘The answers lie within the facts’
Posted: 26 December 2014 01:19 AM   [ Ignore ]
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‘The answers lie within the facts’

I have come across very some very telling data, from this year’s numbers, which I think answers one of this year’s biggest deerhunting questions.
“Is IWA’s voluntary restraint working?”
52,019……2013 archery harvest 12/15
50,808……2014 archery harvest 12/14
-1,211 less deer killed this year vs last bowseason
AND remember last years total archery harvest was the lowest since 2002.
Now that kind of indicates a possibility of some change, but there could be other variables for the drop too.
Here is the fact/data that really shows me a huge change in deerhunter mentality
23,518 does / 27,378 bucks harvested thru 12/14/2014
25,647 does / 26,519 bucks harvested thru 12/15/2013
-2,129 does /  +859 buck, archery harvested 2014 vs 2013
That is a plus minus swing of about 3,000 deer so far OR…about 6%
46% does / 54% bucks in 2014
49% does / 51% bucks in 2013
This is huge people !!!!
This is a game changer !
Voluntary restraint is helping !!!!

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Posted: 26 December 2014 01:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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I’ve had several shot opportunities in areas with just a few deer this year that I passed.  Other areas I’ve hunted with good numbers of deer I wouldn’t hesitate to take one.  I’ve also tried hunting a few more spots.  I’ve actually hunted 3 counties this year.  Some have a large number of deer and others are really hurting.  Most of the guys I’m talking to are not seeing the deer they normally would. 
I think if your area has plenty of deer like some are reporting go ahead and shoot one but if you’re seeing the same 5 deer every night it may be time to hang it up for the season or look elsewhere  

Good info Lynn

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Posted: 26 December 2014 10:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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I hope it is working. We declared does a no go after 2012 season. The difficulty is getting through to non IWA members and poachers. Do you know what percent of licensed deer hunters are members of IWA?

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Posted: 26 December 2014 10:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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That’s good but there isn’t any in my area anymore…some poachers from Indiana is shooting them between 2-5 in the morning…I’ve got their license plate the first time they were seen shooting from their vehicle then again when they were seen pulled up in a lane at 2 in the morning! Every since they’ve been seen I haven’t seen any deer at all! The information was mailed to the conservation officers and they were supposed to get back with us on the matter and never did!!

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Posted: 26 December 2014 11:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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I Just don’t understand why the DNR wouldn’t call a citizen (taterbug) back who reports a crime??  Voluntary Restraint and purchasing fewer tags is the only way to get the heard numbers up and the state to pay attention to us as a group.

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Posted: 26 December 2014 12:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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“Do you know what percent of licensed deer hunters are members of IWA?”

” Illinois had about 271,500 individuals who hunted deer in 2012.” Posted by DozRdeer2 on December 17, 2013

There are about 1,700 IWA members last number I seen posted AND raising quickly. IWA has only been asking for member for a few months now.
Pretty impressive I would say!
They, other groups, other concerned IL hunters, ect…..have all been spreading the word, so thousands & thousand of IL hunter are changing their thinking & no longer buying into our IDNR’s & other’s agenda to continue to kill off the IL deerherd.

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Posted: 26 December 2014 12:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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You don’t have to be a member of any groups to practice voluntary restraint. A lot of us have been shooting less deer long before the club memberships started. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know when it’s ok or not ok to shoot a deer in your area.  Numbers being down will help.  Some will just lose interest and stop hunting and others will go less.  If it’s not easy a lot of the band wagon deer hunters will find some other way of accumulating status points and pics for facebook.  I think we will start to see some hunter numbers drop as well.  We can only hope

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Posted: 26 December 2014 01:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Lynn, Whats our chances of seeing a 2 deer limit in the near future?

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Posted: 26 December 2014 01:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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taterbug——-If they make an arrest they may get back to you and say thanks for your help. But like any law enforcement agency they are not going to fill you in to the status of an open investigation. Give it some time, I am sure they are also working with IN. DNR also, if they are doing it here they are doing it there!!!

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Posted: 26 December 2014 09:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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You are reading to much into the tea leaves. A few weeks ago everyone said the DNR was high for suggesting the 2nd season helped make up for the first. Now you say their numbers are accurate? I bet Bloomington could spin these numbers to say we need a January mini gun season. I agree with your concepts and ideas but let’s not get carried away with a report.

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Posted: 26 December 2014 10:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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If I remember correctly, taking illegally killed game across state line in a federal offense…the Lacey Act, I believe.  If federal wardens are involved it will be a very tight lipped and LONG operation.  The federal wardens usually make sure they have an air-tight case before they make a move.  They love to leave the poacher twisting in the wind, waiting for the heel to come down and grind them into the ground.


Lynn, if your number about hunters and IWA are correct, they only have slightly over one half of one percent of the hunters on board.  That sure isn’t very impressive IMHO.  Plus, their facebook site has been static, at best, for months.

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Posted: 26 December 2014 11:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Riverrat…..you have been around this stuff for decades like me. Have you ever seen any state IL deerhunting org obtain 1,700 members ???
let alone in a matter of a few months.
Speaking of their Facebook page, don’t they have about 4,000 likes, followers or something ?
Have you ever seen my numbers be anything other then factual ????.....8^)
Now lets get back to the facts…....
Let me show you guys just how significant of a change this really is.
Just so anyone can check my facts, I will supply my sources =
http://www.dnr.illinois.gov/hunting/deer/Pages/AnnualDeerHarvestReports.aspx
http://www.heartlandoutdoors.com/heartland/story/archery_harvest_behind_last_year2/
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Archery season = Harvest Sex Ratio:
year….male /  female
2014… 53.6% / 46.4% bowseason ratio as of 12/21/2014
2013… 50.0% / 50.0%
2012… 50.1% / 49.9%
2011… 49.6% / 50.4%
2010… 49.6% / 50.4%
2009… 49.5% / 50.5%
2008… 49.6% / 50.4%
2007… 50.8% / 49.2%
2006… 49.4% / 50.6%
2005… 52.6% / 47.4%

Note in the last 8 years the ratio has never been more then 0.8% off of 50/50
A simple 1% change can save about 600 does every year.
Remember those 600 does a live at seasons end, become about 1800 deer a live next season.
Over the last decade & more our IDNR has worked VERY hard to get ALL deerhunters to kill more & more does.
Both in bow season & gun.
It took them well over a decade to change IL deerhunter mentalities to get the harvest ratio closer to THEIR desired 50/50 or better.
In one year they lost it all, because deerhunters took it back.
Simply because they lost the trust of IL deerhunters, statewide !
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Sorry red51…..I don’t do tea leaves.
I don’t care what deerhunters at the tavern, coffee shop or any forum theorize.
I trust the facts.
I let the facts, data, the numbers, the percentages & the truth, do most of my talking.

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Posted: 27 December 2014 01:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Lynn, I’ll readily admit that I’m NOT a serious deer hunter.  I’ve become a deer hunter by default, as there are more deer on the farms I hunt than pheasants, rabbits and quail, combined.  If I see some deer during the TWO shotgun seasons and a day or two with a bow, I’m happy.  If I kill ONE, I’m ecstatic!  If I killed TWO, I’d probably fall over dead. 
IWA’s facebook number is 3944, which is still less than 1.5% of the total hunters, if that 271,500 number-supplied by Dozrdeer=is correct.  I have no idea how many they have that have actually signed up on their website, as I withdrew from the facebook page due to the strong arm tactics being implemented by jeff, the moderator, and never joined the website. With modern media, like facebook, causes get out there in mach time.  Kevin probably had more people aware of his cause in the first week than were aware of Walmsley’s epic battles with bent manning, which lasted years.  (Are they over, yet?)  Not taking anything away from Tim, it is just a different time-almost instant coverage with sites such as facebook and chat rooms, like this.
From what I understand, to join the IWA’s web group, all you have to do is go to their website, give a few details, and you’re in.  It’s very easy…no dues, no driving somewhere for a meeting…yet, barely 0.6% have done it.  That’s why I’m not too impressed with that 1700 number.

 

 


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Posted: 27 December 2014 02:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Really riverrat ?????
My main point here is that thousands of does have been saved this year from the blatant over kill of our IL deerherd, you failed to even mention that in any of your post & all you want to harp on, is bashing the IWA who has led the way in this change, because you don’t like their forum or something ????
really ???
I guess I was wrong about you.
My bad…... I will save my breath with you from now on.

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Posted: 27 December 2014 12:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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River rat, the number of “members” doesn’t necessarily reflect the number of “supporters”. I’m in agreement with everything they’ve proposed 100%, but I’m not a member. As Andy stated above, you don’t have to belong to IWA to agree that voluntary restraint is needed and to use it.

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Posted: 27 December 2014 10:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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I really appreciate what the iwa is trying to do , however i dont believe the decline in doe harvest is due to voluntary restraint i believe its due to an overall lack of does to shoot . I have spoke to alot of hunters who would have killed a doe or any deer if they would have seen or been given the opertunity . I talked to 6 guys staying at the motel in pittsfield all hunting ray norbet state park during muzzleloader season of the six only one guy saw 2 deer and shot at her but missed ( thank god ) . While talking to them they each stated they would shoot anything just to fill a tag . That my friends is the problem and the reason harvest is down . Wish i was wrong .

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