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Why sell mineral blocks, deer attractants, if they are illegal? 
Posted: 20 September 2014 01:09 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Just curious on others thoughts.

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Posted: 20 September 2014 07:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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75 its all about the $$$......And youd be very surprised on how many people use them anyway….Even some of the bigger outfitters;)

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Posted: 21 September 2014 06:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Great question.  I always wondered the same thing.  I think most people know and understand that those products are illegal.  But when the stores sell them, it somehow legitimizes it.

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Posted: 21 September 2014 08:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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There’s a lot of poachers in illinois.  These product fly off the shelves.  All they’re doing is congregating the deer to one location and increasing the risk of disease

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Posted: 21 September 2014 08:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Id bet the sales jump bigtime in those counties where the deer numbers have fallen thru the floor….Some people will want to even the odds alittle….

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Posted: 22 September 2014 06:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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I watch the outdoor channel and see people hunting over them all the time.  I used to put out the stuff you put on stumps years ago before it was illegal. I see them for sale at all the farm stores and have even asked how they could sell them. I get the shoulder shrug and the ole don’t know . I have even seen people with a cart full of the mineral rocks at the check out at Farm King . If you have cows or horses and put out salt blocks or mineral blocks for them and a deer licks one are you breaking the law or is that incidental feeding ?.

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Posted: 22 September 2014 11:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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It ticks me off big time.  I know tons of people that put them out all year long.  Lots of people use them for their trail cameras etc.  Walmart is now selling deer corn in IL.  I wish the stuff was legal in a way.  Maybe it would even up the odds with the honest hunters.  I don’t want deer congregating on my neighbor’s place simply because he illegally attracted them there.

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Posted: 22 September 2014 01:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Its illegal to use them for attracting deer, not illegal to buy them.  People do buy them and use them legally for cattle and captive deer.  I’d guess most (and a high majority at that) are using them illegally.  You can buy all kinds of chemicals at your local farm store but there are restrictions on where you use.

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Posted: 24 September 2014 08:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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I see post like this , and I have to wonder about the mentality of certain outdoorsmen. We have several states with very successful deer programs, and many allow the usage of feeders, and supplements, and have for decades with no ill effect to their populations. I feel that when a problem does come up the first thing many individuals in wildlife like to blame is the feeding of whitetail deer. This is nothing short of a knee jerk reaction , and not knowing really what the true problem might be at the time, but they feel the need for something to been done, and a blame source. Supplement feeding offers these people a scapegoat! 

Shooting a deer over a feeder offers many advantages, not just an easy kill !! Deer may be selectively harvested, and populations controlled as to the needs of the herd, plus the feed also offers an opportunity for other species to thrive, like game birds.  The Texas hill country is loaded with quail , and turkey, and wintering doves as well. I have on more than one occasion taken deer that needed to be removed, thus helping the over al health of the population. Your able to supplement the population to insure a certain continued level of health within the population through out the year. These people just don’t put out feed during the hunting season, but all through the whole year.

I think for many people that have lived in a culture of it not being allowed, then they feel that it is like some unfair advantage to the hunter, but has sportsmen I think we have to look past that, and see how wildlife benefits as a whole, and what might be gained if we were to take a different approach to supplementing wildlife.

I have never killed a deer in Illinois over a pile of corn, but I have shot many out of corn fields, so the only difference is the size of the bait pile !! I have shot deer around feeders in Texas, and I know of four times I shot crippled bucks that I knew were going to be coyote food soon. I spent my tag on them, because it was the right thing to do, and I have known many other people in my life that have done the same.

Landowners with good populations of whitetail deer I feel would welcome the opportunity to better manage these herds that would best fit the conditions at hand, verses just taking what mother nature gives. Good thing we don’t take that approach to farming, and livestock production, or we all might not eat as good as we do today.

Like I said many other states do it, and with herds much larger than ours, and have been doing it for decades( Texas started in the early 50’s), so what makes our wildlife people so much smarter ??  Some of these states have a herd that would dwarf ours, but yet our people have all the answers, that is the type of mentality I question. I think those at the policy level at times have no idea why, or how, or what to do, and some just have no clue at all. God forbid someone like at what has, and has not worked before making knee jerk reactions.

Now I no for some its an ethics deal, and if that is how you feel, then by all means chose to hunt differently. I feel that is your right, and respect your choice, but please don’t over look the advantage that supplement feeding could offer a population, and the other species as well. I have seen the positive, and if far out weights what some would fear is an unfair advantage. Thanks for the rant…............RTT

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Posted: 25 September 2014 10:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Ringtail,

I don’t have a problem with people baiting…IN STATES THAT IT IS LEGAL!  If you do it in IL, you are hunting illegally.  And you are gaining an unfair advantage over the guy a property over that hunts legally.  I’m surprised you don’t think there is any difference between shooting a deer over a pile of corn or shooting a deer in a field of corn.  One is a 3 or 4 foot area that the deer will congregate, and the other is a 20-100 acre field that will not force the deer into a tiny area.  Big difference.

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Posted: 25 September 2014 05:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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I have another good question. Lets say that there is a piece of ground that I hunt. Adjoining this property is a cow pasture that runs into the timber bordered with a fence. The farmer has salt blocks out for his cattle and I do not hunt his property. However, the deer are sometimes hitting this salt block. My question is,,,, If I am not hunting on his property, but I am aware that the deer are being influenced to his land, how far away from the area of influence (salt block) should I be, to be considered legal? ethical? 

Knowledge is power, but to what degree does the advantage peel away the layers of “fair-chase”?

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Posted: 25 September 2014 07:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Wow!  I’m sure whatever you wrote that short story about is amazing!

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Posted: 26 September 2014 06:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Wow!  I’m sure whatever you wrote that short story about is amazing!

Just my opinion Andy, and every one is entitled to their own. I have seen the good that supplement feeding offers, and just stating facts that it is not always so evil like some people feel. I have learned over the years that some outdoorsmen can be a very jealous lot, and that if they feel someone has an advantage of any type, well it just upsets their apple cart. Once again that is my observation, and my opinion !! 

 

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Posted: 26 September 2014 07:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Ringtail,

I don’t have a problem with people baiting…IN STATES THAT IT IS LEGAL!  If you do it in IL, you are hunting illegally.  And you are gaining an unfair advantage over the guy a property over that hunts legally.  I’m surprised you don’t think there is any difference between shooting a deer over a pile of corn or shooting a deer in a field of corn.  One is a 3 or 4 foot area that the deer will congregate, and the other is a 20-100 acre field that will not force the deer into a tiny area.  Big difference.


Your still attracting wildlife into a certain area, no different with a food plot, and to say a person that shoots a deer over bait verses someone that does it over a food plot is nothing short of hypocritical to me. Some will say food plots offer supplement through out the whole year, and supplement feeding offers those same benefits if done properly.

People plant sunflowers in Illinois every year, and most get mowed downed a couple days before the start of dove season. Now that is not considered baiting because they claim it to be a part of the natural farming process. I don’t know of any of these people that plant these sunflowers that have ever harvested any sunflowers, so just how natural is it ?? Just a loop hole in the law, but one that also helps many wild bird species as well, and thus the no big rush to ban the planting of sunflowers.

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Posted: 26 September 2014 08:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Much better RTT.  My short attention span usually makes me scroll by those long ones.  No offense.  I’m not a food plot or a bait guy.  I just like to sit in the woods and keep it simple.  I love to bow hunt but there’s a lot more to life than deer for me.  No time or desire to grow my own.  Those products are designed and marketed for their target audience and they sell like hot cakes.  Wish I would have come up with it

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Posted: 26 September 2014 10:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Andy, I agree with your method of enjoying the outdoors, and feel as you do that is the best way to enjoy it. I also feel the problem with supplement feeding in Illinois is how it is marketed to the public. They make it sound like all you need to do is pour it on the ground, and old mossy horns will show up, but we both know that is far from the truth. There is a difference I feel between supplementing, and attracting, and what seems to be lavished upon in advertising is the attracting quality these products more than anything else. That is sad I feel….........RTT

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