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Good read by Bill Winke
Posted: 11 January 2014 07:40 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Adds some insight on what’s going on with our deer herd. Not too long of a read.

http://www.midwestwhitetail.com/publish/posts/3238/the-recipe-for-collapse.html

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Posted: 11 January 2014 11:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Wow, that is a very well written article!  Probably one of the best insights I have heard.  I cant disagree with any of it.  Thanks for sharing knob!

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Posted: 11 January 2014 11:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Awesome read knob…Thanks

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Posted: 12 January 2014 10:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Good Morning,

I agree with nearly everything in the article. However here in Illinois we have reached rock bottom in this vicious cycle. Areas where I would see numerous deer each sit, this year I was lucky to see a small handful. The problem that I am seeing is the number of “Trophy Hunters” that are not killing their “Record Buck” are leaning towards non-ethical hunting. One in particular was caught this year, he had poached four bucks in the area all between 140 and 170 inches. I love hunting giant bucks but i’m not going to cross the line so that my reputation of killing nice bucks continues. I’m afraid with this poor hunting ethics it will take more than four years to see a increase in “quality deer”, If it comes back. I’m hoping IDNR will put antler restrictions on for ages 18 and over. I would also like to see them lift these stupid CWD doe seasons that occur in January. I have personally witnessed some nice bucks harvested during doe season that had shed both sides by the end of January when these late doe seasons take place. There is no need for four shotgun seasons every year on top of bow, smoke sticks, and of course bazooka season. The state also needs to Halt selling over the counter doe permits to everyone. To many people are bored during this time of the year and just pile up does because they have nothing better to do than kill numerous deer every year. Unfortunately, politics have won this war, and the days of hunting the big buck is done and gone. I really feel my two children will never have the opportunity to hunt a true trophy deer in this area.  Especially, now that IDNR has stated that Illinois does have cougars throughout the state and also last week released an article about wolves interring the state from Wisconsin. The article stated that in five years wolves will be located throughout the State. With the extra predators around you can bet this will slow population growth.

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Posted: 12 January 2014 12:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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I’ve always had a tremendous amount of respect for Bill.  While everyone out there was producing their tough-guy trophy shows, Bill was making his informative and educational.

Quote from the article…“we actually reversed the buck to doe ratio until there were way more bucks than does!  During the rut, there were mature bucks running everywhere - no lull.  Nearly all the bucks were beat up after the rut from fighting.”

I’ve questioned this for several years while watching Lakosky’s show.  Almost every mature buck they get on video is all beat up.  In all my years of hunting, I have never seen one buck as beat up as each of their bucks seem to be.  Utilizing several trail cameras set to video mode, I feel like I have a pretty good idea of which bucks on my property are aggressive, and which are passive.  Neither the aggressive bucks nor the passive bucks ever look that bad.  It can’t be good for bucks to work that hard to breed.  Too much travel, too much chasing, and far too much fighting in my opinion.

Good read and thanks for posting the link.  Good stuff.

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Posted: 12 January 2014 06:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Here is what sticks out in mind after reading it. To me the statement below is the IDNR’s most important decision on our deer herd. It could make or break our herd for the next several years in my opinion.

“From what I have been told, the DNR started recommending that the antlerless quotas be reduced at about that time - to put a floor under the deer herd.  But the recommendation was ignored in favor of politics. It was our chance to keep things on a solid footing, but the opportunity slipped by and that brings us to where we are now.”

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Posted: 13 January 2014 01:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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http://www.fieldandstream.com/articles/hunting/2013/10/dirty-politics-deer-management

Winke’s article melds with this one. 

Last week, I was talking to a guy who was active in waterfowl issues during the 1990’s, when brent manning was director.  He happened to mention that the Farm Bureau was already pushing hard for virtually unlimited deer harvest.  Of course, this was the time period that manning sold the farm to the outfitters, for all practical purposes taking control of the deer herd from the IDNR wildlife division.  Once manning opened that can of worms, there was NO putting it back.  Now, just like Winke was talking about in Iowa, the politicians run the deer herd…and it’s for sale to the highest bidder.

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Posted: 13 January 2014 09:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Good article.  Sounds really similar to illinois

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Posted: 13 January 2014 09:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Thanks riverrat, sounds exactly like Illinois doesn’t it. As hunters we are kind of at the mercy of some large city politics, we don’t have to be their pawns though. Just because they allow us to buy X amount of permits doesn’t mean we have to.

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Posted: 13 January 2014 02:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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By “for sale to the highest bidder” I wasn’t referring to selling tags.  The Farm Bureau and insurance companies are the highest bidders.  Farmers get nuisance permits and the Farm Bureau makes sure they are damned easy to get.  Actually, I look at the IDNR as the straw dog in this whole fight.  While everyone is piling hate on Miller/Burnekempe et al, and worried about the insurance lobby’s 14% reduction of the Illinois deer herd, the Farm Bureau is pushing for a 100% reduction of the herd.

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Posted: 14 January 2014 10:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Good article. Simply said, we need a lot of guys to quit hunting in order for the herd to rebound, and that will happen. No young person will want to hunt if they don’t see any deer. We simply have too many hunters in all of the Midwest right now. As Lynn often says, its just supply and demand.

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