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Posted: 03 December 2012 12:01 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Buying my boys a gun for Chirstmas…I have decided on just a plain old Remington 20 gauge 870 youth gun…Not alot of frills but will do anything they will ever need for many years… My wife can also shoot it when we shoot clays…

I have always shot rifled sites and have only shot one deer in my entire life over 30-35 yard…But I want to give my boys the BEST chance to make a clean and ethical kill…If a scope will help do that, that is the way I will go…

So the question is buy the combo with a rifled slug barrel with rifle sites or just the gun and dress it with a cantilever barrel and scope?...


So, for those that have already been there done that with your kids, HELP ME PLEASE!!!!

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Posted: 03 December 2012 12:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Both.  Rifled barrel and scope.

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Posted: 03 December 2012 12:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Others may disagree with me, but I’ll give you my personal perspective. Get a scope. The reason I say this is two-fold - I started deer hunting when I was 9. My first shotgun was a 20 ga. Western Auto that is almost identical to a Mossberg 500. My dad cut the stock a little shorter and put a butt pad on it to help with the recoil. I used the gun for many years, but I shot about 30 shots my first four seasons without success. It was not until he put a scope on it during my fifth shotgun season that I was successful.
Fast forward to three years ago, when my daughter hunted deer for the first time. She was eight at the time, and I had bought her a youth model Mossberg 500. She had trouble hitting a 2’ x 2’ target at 20 yards even seated on a shooting seat with a bench rest while using the iron sights. Not wanting her to have the same frustrating four seasons I had, I ponied up the money for an inexpensive Bushnell scope. She was able to hit the target, though in the field she missed her first two shots. She did not hunt the next two seasons, but this year she decided she wanted to hunt again. I bought her an OTC permit for the youth season, and on the first morning she got her first deer - a five-point buck. The funny thing is, she still missed it with a shot at 25 and 35 yards, but dropped it on the third shot at 60 yards. I really think at that age, nerves combined with a heavy factory trigger pull make a young hunter flinch a good deal. I think using a scope gives a good advantage, because young hunters still have plenty of other mistakes they can make before a successful harvest. The one piece of advice I would give is make sure they don’t get their eyes too close to the scope. I’ve never done it myself, but I know of several experienced hunters/shooters who have given themselves black eyes that way.
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Posted: 03 December 2012 02:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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A little more back ground on the boys, oldest 8 and the youngest is 5…Both have shot air soft, bb guns, and a 22 cricket…Iron sites and a peep on the 22..

Oldest stuggles, youngest just points the gun and hits everything…Goal is to get the oldest out next year if he is ready…

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Posted: 03 December 2012 02:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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I got a Mossberg 20 ga. for my 12 year old. It has a fully rifled barrel, and a Bushnell Banner scope. He shoots Winchester Partition Gold sabot slugs. He’s killed 3 deer so far (missed his first one, he says he twitched). He can drive tacks with his outfit. This year took a doe at 60 yards with a perfect heart shot. However, this gun is for deer ONLY. Every screw has Locktite in the treads. I got him a Mossberg 500 youth model for upland hunting. Having one dedicated “deer gun” is great if the expense doesn’t kill you.

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Posted: 03 December 2012 02:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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24/7, I am going the unpopular route evidently and suggest open sights. For the range you have experienced and just the ability to pick up the target quicker open sights are hard to beat. Now I must confess this is coming from a guy that has never used a scope on his shotgun for deer. The areas I have to hunt or did have to hunt would not allow for a shot much over 50yds max. Again not popular but I would stick with the open sights for the range you are speaking of and just my prefernce for that range. I guess overall you will do what works for your kids. Good luck!

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Posted: 03 December 2012 04:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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I am a believer in iron sights, but that is all I have ever known and it come easy to me…I actually only own one gun with a scope, a model 70 .223…

I just know my oldest struggles to get on target with the bb gun or .22 which causes him to lose interest quick…I want to do what is best for him and if it is buy a scope and put on one of .22’s or even a bb gun I will…Just having trouble knowing what to do on something that comes so easy to me, but not him…

Worst case I can buy the combo and put a receiver mounted scope on it…Just like the cantilever mount better…

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Posted: 03 December 2012 06:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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My fiance started shooting/hunting this year using a 870 20 ga. and couldn’t hit a thing with iron sights.  I bought her a truglo red dot sight for around $30 that attaches to the gun via weaver mount (also around $20-$30). It made a huge difference improving accuracy shooting slugs and since it just attaches to a weaver mount you can take it off easily if you want to switch back to a bird barrel.  the sight gives a wide field of view when you look through it too.  i was very impressed with it.  Anyways Jenny put a perfect double lung shot on a 10 pt this fall.

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Posted: 03 December 2012 11:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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I got my son the remington 870 20 ga. with the cantlever fully rifled barrel with a leupold he started when he was 10 its very accurate and he picked it up real quick the first four years we used it for turkey hunting also the scope stays with the barrel and we put a red dot on reciever for turkey hunting he has done very well with both setups I think its easier to use a scope then iron sights because you just put crosshairs or dot on target then to line up rifle sights and then get on target i’ve shot both and like a scope better

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Posted: 04 December 2012 01:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Scope !

Bushnell Banner 3-9x 40mm - Multi-X 6” Eye Relief = http://www.bushnell.com/hunting/rifle-scopes/banner/3-9x-40mm,-6-eye-relief

Cantilever - fully rifled
Another great option is a muzzleloader, mainly because you can shoot light loads. ( low recoil )

Bi-pod or tri-pod shooting sticks = NO OFF HAND !!!!

For 7 years now I have done our IL Dreamhunt, with kids that are handicapped or have life threatening illnesses & we take 12 kids every year.  I also take my 8yr old boy turkey & deerhunting & he got his first deer at 69 years with my muzzleloader, with a light bullet & load. (See pic ). Plus I helped take a couple other young boys, on a few youth deer hunts 3-4 years ago. One of those boys took a 10pt with my muzzleloader at about 80 yards, off a bi-pod.

Practice just like you will hunt too !
I have a 22mag, with a scope & that is what we practice with.

Primos Trigger Sticks, Short Bi Pod, works great for kids. You steady the shooting sticks & control the height for them.
http://www.primos.com/products/trigger-sticks/short-bi-pod/

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Posted: 04 December 2012 01:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Sorry pic won’t download, to big.

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Posted: 04 December 2012 09:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Get a cantilevered barrel that the scope will stay on.  This way it will remain sighted in even after you switch to the field barrel.  Myself I like iron sights on my 870.  My son loves his big scope on his slug gun.  Just got to check and make sure scope does not get bumped off between seasons and during travels.  We bought three guns w scopes just because we like the scopes so well that came with them.  Two are rifles.  As a kid I never could see through the small scope openings to shoot a live target,  these big scopes are so easy.

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Posted: 04 December 2012 05:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Man, if you are shooting inside 50 yards and using a standard slug through a standard 20 gauge, don’t bother with a scope.  Believe me, you get one in close and the boy can’t get it in the scope that’s really going to frustrate him.  Practice practice practice.  I made my boy put 5 in a row in the kill ring at 40 yards before I would buy him a permit.  Might sound harsh, but I do not want to be out there with him if he makes a bad shot and cripples one.  That’s a tough pill to swallow as an adult, much less a kid.  I know it can happen to the best.  But I want his and my confidence high on accuracy before ever getting out there.  He is 4 for 4 because of the practice we do.

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Posted: 04 December 2012 06:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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OK, I have 2 boys 9 and 7. They both have been shooting since they could hold a weapon. This was my 9 yos 1st year to deer hunt. I got him a .50 muzzleloader with fiber optic sights. I Believe in fundamentals… I taught them to shoot open sights. I also believe that giving them only one shot will make them more conscious about just pulling the trigger if you only have one shot. Teach proper sight picture and practice with all kinds of weapons. We shoot muzzleloaders, .32 - .50 SKS, AR, .22, air guns, and pistols… If you teach them fundamentals first, then when scopes are introduced it just gets even easier… did I mention practice??? LOL We had our picture here on HO pic of the day last week… it works…

Plus… if the zombie apocalypse comes, I want my kids to be able to shoot whatever they pick up to save ol dad….

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Posted: 04 December 2012 06:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Preach on, Bob!  I swear my boy is more accurate with iron sights thn with the scope.  “Aim small, miss small.”

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Posted: 04 December 2012 07:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Thanks for all the input guys… I am all about practice, practice, practice… We shoot air soft in the back garage all the time and bb guns when we go to river…

Probably will walk in to the gun shop and find somethimg there that will completely change my mind…LOL

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